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evutch
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kinda like questioningh whos kid the mongoloid belongs to..
there's a cover up there too.
we need to know.. |
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greeney2
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There is a big difference questioning actual facts evutch and making up the kind of sexist crap you have been doing with about 6 others here. Questioning Obama's radical religious background is not rumor, it is fact. It is fact his wife and himself worshiped in a congregation where the minister has anti-amierican views, thinks AIDS was put into black neighborhoods by the government, and has ties to Louis Farracan. It is not a fact or question of paternaty in Govornor Palins child, which people like you would justify an abortion as the solution.
Right now your comments and adgenda show what your character is all about, when you pick gutter trash talk, character assasinations as your anti-american crap. |
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Halfabo
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| Obama's own brother told of their Muslim upbringing himself. So don;t say false quite so fast. |
Hasn't Obama publicly professed he is a Christian? Yes.
If Obama was a muslim apostate, wouldn't many muslims demand that his heresy be punished? Yes.
Where's the outcry? Nowhere, except that from folks that would like to suggest that he is/was a muslim in hopes it will detract from his popularity. |
Yes, Obama has claimed that he was a Christian. If he was an apostate Muslim, there would be thousands of Muslims calling for him to be punished for it. Since they are not doing so, I would assume he is not an apostate but, a practicing Muslim. Interesting that he would have adopted an Islamic name while in college. Before he was in college, his name was Barry Obama. But, keeping with Islamic tradition a new convert takes an Islamic name. |
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hansdew
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| Halfabo wrote: |
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| Obama's own brother told of their Muslim upbringing himself. So don;t say false quite so fast. |
Hasn't Obama publicly professed he is a Christian? Yes.
If Obama was a muslim apostate, wouldn't many muslims demand that his heresy be punished? Yes.
Where's the outcry? Nowhere, except that from folks that would like to suggest that he is/was a muslim in hopes it will detract from his popularity. |
Yes, Obama has claimed that he was a Christian. If he was an apostate Muslim, there would be thousands of Muslims calling for him to be punished for it. Since they are not doing so, I would assume he is not an apostate but, a practicing Muslim. Interesting that he would have adopted an Islamic name while in college. Before he was in college, his name was Barry Obama. But, keeping with Islamic tradition a new convert takes an Islamic name. |
Tell us Halfabo, how would muslims feel about one of their own masquerading as a Christian? |
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hansdew
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There is a big difference questioning actual facts evutch and making up the kind of sexist crap you have been doing with about 6 others here. Questioning Obama's radical religious background is not rumor, it is fact. It is fact his wife and himself worshiped in a congregation where the minister has anti-amierican views, thinks AIDS was put into black neighborhoods by the government, and has ties to Louis Farracan. It is not a fact or question of paternaty in Govornor Palins child, which people like you would justify an abortion as the solution.
Right now your comments and adgenda show what your character is all about, when you pick gutter trash talk, character assasinations as your anti-american crap. |
This minister...is he a Christian minister? YES. |
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hansdew
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I really don;t care why the Muslims aren;t screaming about it, but that tells me by your own admission Muslims would "cry for blood" as you put it. You argue for muslims being a peaceful reliogion and in the same breathe, acknolwedge their propensity for violence as the normal reaction, had Obama converted to Christianity. In that absence you deduct Obama is not lying because if he were, the Muslims would what his blood.
To answer why Obama would lie is a no brainer about his Muslim and Rev Wright background politically. The fact the Muslims are silent is also obvious. They would love to end up having a Muslim, even if he converted, in the White House. The question is if he has really converted, when you connect his ministers views.
I could care less if he was a Muslim, I question the coverup. |
Frankly, I don't believe you. |
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I really don;t care why the Muslims aren;t screaming about it, but that tells me by your own admission Muslims would "cry for blood" as you put it. You argue for muslims being a peaceful reliogion and in the same breathe, acknolwedge their propensity for violence as the normal reaction, had Obama converted to Christianity. In that absence you deduct Obama is not lying because if he were, the Muslims would what his blood.
To answer why Obama would lie is a no brainer about his Muslim and Rev Wright background politically. The fact the Muslims are silent is also obvious. They would love to end up having a Muslim, even if he converted, in the White House. The question is if he has really converted, when you connect his ministers views.
I could care less if he was a Muslim, I question the coverup. |
Frankly, I don't believe you. |
That's because you are retarded. |
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| Obama's own brother told of their Muslim upbringing himself. So don;t say false quite so fast. |
Hasn't Obama publicly professed he is a Christian? Yes.
If Obama was a muslim apostate, wouldn't many muslims demand that his heresy be punished? Yes.
Where's the outcry? Nowhere, except that from folks that would like to suggest that he is/was a muslim in hopes it will detract from his popularity. |
Yes, Obama has claimed that he was a Christian. If he was an apostate Muslim, there would be thousands of Muslims calling for him to be punished for it. Since they are not doing so, I would assume he is not an apostate but, a practicing Muslim. Interesting that he would have adopted an Islamic name while in college. Before he was in college, his name was Barry Obama. But, keeping with Islamic tradition a new convert takes an Islamic name. |
Tell us Halfabo, how would muslims feel about one of their own masquerading as a Christian? |
According to the Muslims I have spoken with, both in person and on line, there would be no problem if it was to advance the cause of Islam. |
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greeney2
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| With the kind of opinions you give here Handew, I could care less if you believe me or not. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: doesnt matter |
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| Obama's own brother told of their Muslim upbringing himself. So don;t say false quite so fast. |
lol what does that matter? just because you brought up in a certian belief does not mean you follow it and embrace it in your life. i lived with my father from the day i was born untill i was 15, for 15 years, i was forced in the home of people that revolved their lifestyle, and day to day activites to the beliefs of christianity, a picture of jesus in every single room, had to pray as a family every single night, unless i was at a friends house. they considered themselves "southern baptist" and they switched from church to church all the time. but throughout my life as being forced to live in the christian faith, it was not my faith, i didnt believe in it. i noticed that so many of the people a very ignorant, close minded, and most of all disrespectfull of other religons.
my moms father is muslim, one day in church, (they always start the hour off in a prayer) they prayed for my grandfather to be saved, and embrace christ in his life, and to keep him away from the devil. i was 15 at the time and thats when it did it for me, i left and never saw that side of the family agian (fathers side) the fact that those people have that kind of mind set that they are that discrimitive toward other beliefs is discusting. "christians" are they only ones that are going to heaven in their mind, they even said in one of the sermons that christians are they "gate keepers" to heaven.
now im saying this based on christians as a whole, there are many genually good christians out there.
so the main thing i wanted to get at was it doesnt always matter how your brought up, you can still have the choice not to believe in the way of life that you were brought up in. so it doesnt matter if obama was born into a family that followed the islam belief, he has been a part of a church in indiana for years, so he didnt follow that religon that he was brought up in.
and why does it even matter what religon he is, that has NOTHING to do with being president. this is NOT a theocracy people, it will not change our way of life, we will not turn into a country that believes in islam, because he was brought up with muslims.
you should respect every single religon wheather it is islam, christianity, hinduism, judaism, or whatever they beleive in. |
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greeney2
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| The religion isn;t the point, the denial and lies about it are the point! |
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hansdew
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According to the Muslims I have spoken with, both in person and on line, there would be no problem if it was to advance the cause of Islam. |
You are mistaken. The only condition under which a Muslim is permitted to deny their faith is under imminent threat of death. |
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hansdew
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| The religion isn;t the point, the denial and lies about it are the point! |
I think the point is that you refuse to believe he is a Christian, even though he has publicly stated such. Furthermore, you refuse to believe he is a Christian, even as you criticize himfor following a warped Christian minister?!?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| I think you are full of crap. If he lied about it, he is hiding something, and the voters have a right to know what he is hiding. |
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