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LilyPat
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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Oops...back up a bit there |
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Sorry, but I don't see any "tiny humans" in those Mars pictures...? Does this poor guy think that those light-reflecting areas are tiny dead bodies? As an astronomical artist, I've looked very closely at hundreds of photos from Mars and those bright areas usually turn out to be either frost or some other sort of crystalline matter--minerals, generally--that reflect sunlight so brilliantly that they overwhelm the ability of the camera to resolve them with any degree of detail. They're over-exposed, IOW.
But then I've looked at claims that we never landed on the Moon and ended up rejecting all of those, too. Paranoid delusions can be very contagious if they somehow play into personal fears about our government. They can influence many people aside from the person who first reports them, like an epidemic.
And, yeah, I AM aware that MC naysayers insist that's the case with everyone who believes they've been in a government program. But there is very real and solid evidence in the form of FOIA documents that those programs DID exist, unlike the claims about NASA not going to the Moon or murdering humanoids on Mars.
I do have a feeling that NASA has been involved in parts of the MC programs of the past. There's an ex-NASA guy (to whom I'm distantly related) who occasionally surfaces in the Fringe news with interesting claims about having seen aliens face to face during a NASA plane flight. We've corresponded and I'm not convinced that he isn't a "graduate" of some disinfo mind control programing, but I tend to take his word over that of the folks who make extraordinarily sensational claims like teeny Martians.
 Most people who see things like the latter are not mind controlled at all--they're simply Useful Idiots who are being covertly encouraged in order to spread disinformation as widely as possible. This tends to make anyone who's a genuine survivor of a program instantly tarred with the same brush and dismissed by the public. It's worked like a charm for over 50 years now.
And as for the psy-ops pros, they're the scum of the Earth. They can be found speaking at UFO conventions (right alongside the real Experiencers and the Useful Idiots). They've managed to muddy the waters so thoroughly at this point that we may never be able to separate the information about true unknown phenomena from all their bullsh*t. I hate 'em  
Please, everyone, be very careful when you link government mind control programs and wild sensational paranormal claims. That's *exactly* what the Controllers want to see done, so that their victims will never be believed and they'll never end up in prison 
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I'll admit that the connection was a little bit tenuous.
MKULTRA seems to be in common knowledge now, since the freedom of information act release.
I can't say that the public response has always been tasteful.
It has become the name of a particularly humiliating wrestling technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUzt6-nk6ek&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHmhbfMBVEI
I suppose it's the same kind of thing as using the word 'blitzkrieg' in violent sports, it's unsympathetic, but it's better than denying the holocaust alltogether. |
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deathcultreject
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Re: Oops...back up a bit there |
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I do have a feeling that NASA has been involved in parts of the MC programs of the past. There's an ex-NASA guy (to whom I'm distantly related) who occasionally surfaces in the Fringe news with interesting claims about having seen aliens face to face during a NASA plane flight. We've corresponded and I'm not convinced that he isn't a "graduate" of some disinfo mind control programing, but I tend to take his word over that of the folks who make extraordinarily sensational claims like teeny Martians.
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I also think that there's something suspicious about NASA, and I've got an autographed book from David Randolph Scott, because my daddy's company designed the moon buggy.
The selection proceedures and training of astronauts hasn't just involved sensory deprivation, prolonged isolation and disorientation with spinning and sensory overload,
It has also involved shaking people at concussive speeds whilst shouting;
"What is your name? answer in less than 20 words!"
which sounds more like an MC proceedure than anything else.
I'd like to find out more about astronaut training and compare it to MKULTRA records and satanic abuse memories.
Besides, a lot of us want justice, and we all want the public to have a sympathetic understanding of MPD sufferers and also the information which the public will need if they choose to protect our rights against stalkers and street theatre, not to mention abuse cults which believe that we're their property.
That's not going to happen untill NASA and the Disclosure Project have been challenged from MC surviver's perspectives.
With most incidences of MPD being mistaken for alien abduction or something similar, we need to challenge UFO believers thinking untill mind control with screen memories can be distingushed from genuine alien abuductions (if there are any)
BTW has anyone checked through the moon landing astronauts' ancestries to see if they've got the dissociative gene?
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Actually, most people have no clue that the mind control programs ever existed. Once you get outside of the Fringe, most Americans go blank when you mention them--and I'm not talking about idiots here, I'm talking about The Skeptic and just about all of our friends. That group includes a lot of very well-educated people who are politically-active and thoughtful people.
But even historical facts like Project Mockingbird (mass mind control via media c. 1950's) are little-known and people are taken aback when I tell them to look up information on it, thinking that I must be mistaken, because they've never even heard of it before. It makes me want to cry. How will I ever be able to convince them of the existence of MKULTRA (and subsequent programs), if they have no historical basis on which to grasp that era and the fascistic mindset of the intelligence agencies??
Directly due to Project Mockingbird, the Western democracies are appallingly ignorant about the things we discuss here. Censor and slant the news media for long enough and you end up with an populace that's ignorant of the precise things you need them to be ignorant of...and passive, as a result.
They've also very successfully created a knee-jerk dismissive attitude that causes most educated people to turn a deaf ear to anyone who mentions a "conspiracy subject" in polite company It sucks. But the information is out there, as long as anyone can be motivated to actually search it out and give it a fair hearing.
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Ahhh, well over here in the UK it's a bit more well known.
Probably because Brits enjoy blaming America for things that our country's also guilty of.
Anyway, it was suprisingly easy to find a brief overview of the Apollo 11 crew's ancestry.
Apollo 11 crew;
Niel Alden Armstrong - Scottish ancestry. (The armstrong Clan are from close to the border, and are known for their fiercely matriarchal history, warring raids, and always keeping to their word.)
David Randolph Scott - Scottish ancestry. (The clue is in the name)
Michael Collins - Irish ancestry.
Edwin Eugene 'Buzz' Aldrin - Swedish ancestry. (After retiring he became clinicaly depressed and suffered from alcoholism. He also publicly assaulted a moon landing hoax theorist, which sounds a bit like pathological denial when it's someone with an astronaut's required levels of self discepline.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMpGdG27K9o
So Apollo 11 was crewed 100% by people from ancestries targeted by trauma based mind control. I don't believe that the only high functioning people that NASA could find just happened to be Celtic or Nordic, but maybe I've overlooked some other factor.
The Apollo 12 crew are turning out to be harder to trace. I'm still stumped on Charles Pete Conrad's pre American roots. |
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I don't know if this has any direct connection to the war criminals brought over from Germany to work for NASA and MKULTRA, but here's another nazi paedophile, this one's from the UK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7469180.stm
Apparently he was planing a lot of terrorist stuff as well. (When you consider that the UK has the population of about 2 big American cities, we seem to have a very high concentration of arseholes with bombs.)
I was talking to an ex neo nazi a year or so ago. He claimed that the group he joined did something to his mind which messed him up.
He kept using the term "command psychology" as if it was the coolest thing on earth. |
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Alien encounters have now been made a theological truth by the Vatican.
Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit dodgy for the biggest child abuse ring in history to start promoting belief in aliens?
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/6142/
Aparently, aliens are not only our brothers and sisters, they might also be born without 'original sin'
Am I jumping to conclusions here, or have catholic priests become desprate for ways to silence the wave of MPD sufferers whom they've been abusing?
Maybe they'll start burning us at the stake again for the heresy of believing that abduction memories can be caused by chid abuse combined with mind control. |
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Seems only apt to me that those directly responsible for "cracking" a many of their own "cosmic eggs", start talking of aliens and such.
Maybe that was the purpose all along, after all? |
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Seems only apt to me that those directly responsible for "cracking" a many of their own "cosmic eggs", start talking of aliens and such.
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Well seeing as the Vatican arose out of the Roman military, it's likely that their earliest use of rape and paedophilia was breaking in war prisoners and people who'd been allocated as slaves.
I think Sol Invictus was the main religion for roman soldiers when they were allocated the task of raping women, and ordered to rape children. They were extremely organised and burocratic in telling the soldiers who to rape.
The most famous case of this was Boudicca's two young daughters getting raped by roman soldiers whilst their mother was flogged in front of them 'the passion of the christ' style.
It sounds a lot like modern reports of trauma based mind control.
When Constantine had a vision of Sol Invictus, he took it back to Rome with him and kind of merged it with Roman Christianity, because they both had a one true god.
Since then the military emperors have been popes.
The thing was, the romans didn't actually *want* angry psychics. If mystics were bitter against the way things were done then the romans would kill them.
It's possible that they had abused children oracles, but there's never been any record of it. Some forms of panic attacks might have been regarded as sacred.
What they did want was slaves whom they could control and manipulate, and the agenda seemed to be breaking people with rape, intimidation, and torture.
The roman human rights abuses such as the circuses were recorded to have continued for a long time under the christian emperors, even though animal sacrifice was largely banned
I've never come across any information which says that anything was ever done within the imperium to put a stop to them. the circuses ran out of resources, the soldiers work became more like security guards as the empire drew up boundaries and replaced conquest with trade, and it's just presumed that the whole thing turned decent somehow.
You don't have to turn many stones over to find that it hasn't all been decent. If it never was, then their traditions of organised paedophilia probably started with slavery and control.
The Vatican are said to have the most comprehensive occult libraries on the planet, and they also have two millenia of confessions to observe abuse and it's effects on the abused, not to mention all the torture and interrogation records.
So once again, the people with the best understandings of my mental condition are the ones with a history of causing it and exploiting it. |
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Seems only apt to me that those directly responsible for "cracking" a many of their own "cosmic eggs", start talking of aliens and such.
Maybe that was the purpose all along, after all? |
I think Sol Invictus was the main religion for roman soldiers when they were allocated the task of raping women, and ordered to rape children. They were extremely organised and burocratic in telling the soldiers who to rape.
The most famous case of this was Boudicca's two young daughters getting raped by roman soldiers whilst their mother was flogged in front of them 'the passion of the christ' style.
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And when exactly was that supposed to have happened, historically? Before the revolt?
I ask because Boadicea was never captured by the Romans after the revolt - she took poison rather than being paraded through the streets of Rome like a prize animal...and good for her.
"BOADICEA or BOUDICCA (? - A.D. 62), was the widow of the king of the Iceni, an ancient tribe of Britons. When the Romans deprived her of her rule and oppressed her people. Queen Boadicea led a savage revolt that almost wiped out the Roman towns of Colchester, London, and St. Albans. The courageous revolt collapsed when the Roman governor destroyed her army in an especially bloody battle.
Boadicea took poison rather than be captured."
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It happened before the revolt and after Boudicca's husband had died.
When her husband died, the romans decreed that her territory was to be a source of slaves, so they set out to prove it.
Then the revolt united all the Celtic Celts against the Romanised Celts and Romans. It was led by a very enraged Queen Boudicca who was determined not to let the Romans complete the enslaving proceedures which they had started.
So they tried to remove every last trace of Rome from the Islands.
Even the Romans agreed that this was a perfetly reasonable response and quite understandable, so when she died she was the first and only 'barbarian' woman whom the Romans recognised as a goddess.
It saved them having to explain how they got their arses kicked by a girl. |
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Thanks.
The various forms of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people to be equally true, by the philosopher as equally false, and by the magistrate as equally useful.
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Has trauma based mind control (deliberate exploitation of the phenomenon of Dissosciative Identity Disorder) been used by the church to stage demonic posessions since ancient times?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCht30yrbcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouw0cB4S1Fs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha8dv-Ks4do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP6FiP5qo3Y&NR=1
Aparently Catholic exorcisms start with verses which will induce a trance and then provoke the 'demon' to show it's fury.
Does any of this look like triggering ?
Does the real exorcism at the begining look like a flashback to false confessions made under physical and psychological torture?
And (in the 15th century) why did a 16 year old girl get impregnated during an exorcism in which the public were encouraged to stick pins in her feet?
The catholic church still practices thousands of 'exorcisms' every year, with the priests having first say on weather the subject should be treated by them or by a psychiatrist. |
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Hi,
The subject of excorisms is interesting to me. I think true demon possessions by a spiritual enitity can happen, but are rare. Most of the excorisms preformed by the Church and other spiritual groups take advantage of the human conditions of mental illness, and other purely human traits such as the need for attention, and what not.
So I agree that mind control is being used in many so called excorisms, at the very least I think they use a type of hypnosis on many victims of "spirit possession", making the person actually believe they are possessed, then go through the process of healing them.
I think most demons are personal and come from within the persons own psyche. But the ones formed in a mind of a victim of mind control would seem to be great monsters, and very hard for a person to overcome. To split a persons mind with force and and terror, would seem to produce demons of great strength. A victim needs outside assistance in most cases to deal with such horrible terrors, but I would sugest being very careful in whom to turn to for help. I certainly would not entrust myself to The Catholic church, or any other church for that matter. I don't trust their motives.
Anyway, I think its interesting that you mention The church, excorisms, and mind control. I think the whole church, is all about mass mind control. It uses fear to get people to bow down to it, give it money,and obey its laws. Religion is mass mind control, so it makes sense that excorisms, which are a part of its practices are all about mind control.Thanks for bringing up the subject, Deathcultreject.
Take care and have a peaceful night,
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