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I was just wondering, who here believes that the new kyoto agreement will lead to anything?
Me for one donīt think it will lead to anything.
Most people are so worried about money,power,and their own interest before saving the entire planet.
I donīt know how many deals they all have made throughout the atleast 20 years about what we are going to do about the global warming issue.
They all talk but they donīt care at all and they donīt even take actions.
I say give the power to the scientists and the nature organizations to do whatever they want to solve this matter.
This is a moral issue and not any economic/political/religious or whatever issue people tend to go to.
To those in power, take your head out of the ass and start caring for once in your life  |
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The human caused global warming carbon credits deal is a UN scam to gain power. AlGore jumped on the UN's band wagon when he couldn't survive as a politician. We can't stop the globe from warming because it is a natural cycle that has been going on for a long long time. We wouldn't want to stop it if we could. Stopping global climate change would more than likely cause more problems than it fixed.
If you look at the science of the human caused global warming idea? You will see that the whole idea is based on extrapolations using computer models. There is no way these computer models can be accurate because we don't have a comprehinsive set of data nor do we understand exactly how the earth's weather system works. |
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Just the UN'S way to tax the entire world.
I hope no one is actually falling for this scam.
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Even if their data may not be 100% accurate thatīs not what the weather tells me.
Here in Sweden there has never been more than one small tornado for like once every 100 years.
Now in just 3 months there have been around 8 tornados which could be as F1 and even F2.
Thatīs a change wouldnīt you say?
Sleeping volcanos around the South American countrie are starting to get active again...
The climate has changed very dramaticly everywhere the last years.
Either this is real or someone has a weather controlling device making it look like a global warming which either way is very disturbing... |
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There's no doubt the climate is changing, but two things are true:
1) Nobody knows how much of it we are responsible for. Those who claim they do are lying.
2) There's nothing we can do about it anyway.
That's not to say we shouldn't be cleaning up the planet, but don't expect buying that Prius and recycling that can to affect the climate. |
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That's not to say we shouldn't be cleaning up the planet, but don't expect buying that Prius and recycling that can to affect the climate.[/quote
Can't hurt.
See we have a few choices in front of us
1. Nothing is wrong with the climate and we do nothing.
2. Nothing is wrong with the climate and we try to clean up the environment just in case.
3. Something really is wrong and we do nothing.
4. Something really is wrong and we try to clean it up because we don't know weather or not there really is anything wrong.
with option number one, nothing happens. With option number two, we're left with a more smogless and less oil dependant world who knows if it helped the environment. With option number three we have no idea but probably a massive extinction if global warming is real. With option four we (hopefully) save ourselves and avert a massive disaster and are left with a nice clean economy and a much more conscious and aware global society.
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Even if their data may not be 100% accurate thatīs not what the weather tells me.
Here in Sweden there has never been more than one small tornado for like once every 100 years.
Now in just 3 months there have been around 8 tornados which could be as F1 and even F2.
Thatīs a change wouldnīt you say?
Sleeping volcanos around the South American countrie are starting to get active again...
The climate has changed very dramaticly everywhere the last years.
Either this is real or someone has a weather controlling device making it look like a global warming which either way is very disturbing... |
Yes the climate is changing as it has been doing since climate began. The Sahara desert was once lush with life and is now a sandy waste land. Sea levels has increased in the past. There is plenty of evidence to support the sea level change. Archeologists have found many old cities that are now under the sea. The Little Ice Age (started in about seven-hundred CE) lasted five-hundred years and caused many deaths due to starvation and desease. So yes there is ample evidence that climate change has been with us for atleast a thousand years.
I agree we should continue to clean up our industry and we the people's bad for the ecology habits. The USA has been cleaning up the environment since the 1950s. And the USA is way ahead of most other industrialized nations. But I doubt that our cleanliness will stop global warming or even slow it a little.
The thing we need to do about global warming is to adapt to it with as little trauma as possible. We may lose some costal population centers? But we can deal with that. Now Holland will be most affected by a rise in sea level. Same a Venice and New Orleans.
But we don't know for sure that global warming will continue or is even happening at all. Computer models can't predict the future weather any better than humans can. Fact is: Our climate may be getting ready to get colder instead of warmer.
I'm not worried about our globe warming or cooling because it will take atleast a few hundred years to do either. |
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That's not to say we shouldn't be cleaning up the planet, but don't expect buying that Prius and recycling that can to affect the climate. |
Can't hurt.
See we have a few choices in front of us
1. Nothing is wrong with the climate and we do nothing.
2. Nothing is wrong with the climate and we try to clean up the environment just in case.
3. Something really is wrong and we do nothing.
4. Something really is wrong and we try to clean it up because we don't know weather or not there really is anything wrong.
with option number one, nothing happens. With option number two, we're left with a more smogless and less oil dependant world who knows if it helped the environment. With option number three we have no idea but probably a massive extinction if global warming is real. With option four we (hopefully) save ourselves and avert a massive disaster and are left with a nice clean economy and a much more conscious and aware global society.
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I agree, up to a point where we rob ourselves of the technological edge we need to deal with what is coming, in a futile attempt to head it off.
If China and India continue to pollute as they wish, there is no point in hamstringing Canada's oil and gas industry for a 0.1% decrease in the rate of increase of atmospheric CO2.
I'm more scared of clueless politicians and blinkered scientists than I am of climate change. Of course, I live in a country with abundant fresh water.
But I also live in a country where technological advances might be made that will eventually pull us all out of the fire. |
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| It's been suggested by some scientists that an ice age can manifest within a decade...say the kinetic engine that moves on the ocean floor which coils from the Bering Strait down and around Cape Horn and up to Greenland is stymied by too much ice melting off of Greenland... |
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The atmospheric models change as knowledge is gained. Watching things like Discovery Project Earth is scary, people actually trying to find ways to control global warming without knowing the effects.
I remember a 1968 issue of Popular Science with a painting of St. Louis, MO half-buried under glaciation on the cover. Atmospheric scientists were claiming that the abundant use of chlorofluorocarbons in spray cans would have a greenhouse effect that would COOL the Earth instead of heating it, and at that time glaciers were measurably growing.
Since that time we learned it's volcanic activity that seems to cause the worst cooling effects, including the Little Ice Age. So if global warming, a natural process, is such a problem, wake a volcano or two. But be careful, you might make an ash of yourself...
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Note: I didn't want to start a new thread until I had a link to the article but Nature has not put the story on their website yet. So I thought this would a better place.
NEWSFLASH: Nature magazine has a story coming out that we are not heading for global warming. We are instead heading for an ice age. They have scientific evidence. They talked about hundreds of feet of ice and snow over Britain. Nasty.
If true then say goodbye to Al Gore (aka Manbearpig, aka AGore). Bye Al. I'll hug a tree for you. I guess Texas is gonna be a real popular place pretty soon, and Australia too (Sorry Chiselray).
"The Day After Tomorrow" might actually be tomorrow.
p.s. Start burning that oil! |
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An ice age would suck SO bad.
Say goodbye to all your food and at least %80 (if not 95%) of the population. And there wouldn't be any technology that could help us if we don't have food. I guess we'd live in self contained facilities with enough agrigultural surface area to support the people, running off of nuclear reactors for electricity. And by we I mean the rich elite and government officials.
But seriously. An ice age is seriously bad news. Warming is bad, but severe cooling is pretty much equivelent to extinction. |
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