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rhw007
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 Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Liquid Water seeps at Phoenix site |
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reddogkgb
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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 Why is it so surprising to find water on mars? Why should we believe that earth is the only rock in space with water? |
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willo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again... If NASA had intended a coverup, you would not be seeing those photos. I seriously doubt that is liquid water or frozen water seeing as how mars is too cold and it's atmosphere is too thin for liquid water to puddle up on the surface it would freeze before getting there sorry.
Now did water exist in Mars' past? absolutely!
some gulleys on the planet are though to have been carved by water flowing with the force of 10,000 mississippi rivers. However now, theys is gone. |
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rhw007
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| Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: |
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It's the SURFACE temperature I am speaking about. The Phoenix platforma is at least 1.1 meters above the ground and the MAST is another 1.1 meters tall.
http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/exploration/phoenix_facts.asp
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1397660/phoenix_mission_faq/index.html
What is the actual full size of the Phoenix lander/spacecraft? The Phoenix lander is about 18 feet (5.5 meters) long with the solar panels deployed. The science deck by itself is about 5 feet (1.5 meters) in diameter. From the ground to the top of the MET mast, the lander measures about 7 feet (2.2 meters) tall.
I remember the Pathfinder meterological station had the SAME "issues" and reported the following at a different latitude BUT the "air" was below freezing at the mast:
July 31, 1997 Pathfinder Mission Statement PR temp 70 deg F!!!
old one no longer works- mars.jpl.nasa.gov...
new working one:
http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/newspio/mpf/status/pf970731.html
Wind speeds have been increasing with altitude, reported Dr. Robert Sullivan of Arizona State University. And temperatures will vary dramatically with elevation. When ground temperatures are 16 to 21 degrees Celsius (60 to 70 degrees Fahrenheit), they can drop to minus 23 to 27 degrees Celsius (minus 10 to minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit) just five and a-half feet above the ground.
Mer temperature 95 degree farenheit IN SHADE !!!
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/20070612.html
During their exploration of Mars, the rovers have recorded temperatures ranging from midday highs of about 35 degrees C. (95 degrees F.) in spring and summer to nighttime lows of about minus 110 degrees C. (minus 166 degrees F.) in winter.
rhw:
Now people are ASSUMING that the temperature of the AIR several meters ABOVE the ground is IN FACT the GROUND temperature when TWO missions have PROVEN otherwise !!!
As for the ice on Sol 84...it likely sublimated away so on SOl 86 there was none...
It is hypothesied that MORE "liquid" leaked into "cubbard" over the intervening time and re-filled the hole as the SUN's constant beating on the SURFACE and that infrared heat transfered itself underground a tiny amount and that since ICE is indeed just below the surface...this melting and re-forming ice in the hole...continues as a cycle. Fills in...wind shift...sublimates or evaporates...and is re-filled with another shift and more direct sunlight.
ANOTHER scoop at the end of the process with FRESH "ice" might indicate that there is NO SALTS in that new ice. They chose NOT to do this. That is another point to the thread.
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martiandrifter01
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Sorry, can't resist this one.
Water we got.
Salt we got.
Would you Earthlings please send limes and tequila next trip? We're out.
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