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Nesaie
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 Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Cheney Considered Proposal To Dress Up Navy Seals As Irania |
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/31/cheney-proposal-for-iran-war/
EXCLUSIVE: To Provoke War, Cheney Considered Proposal To Dress Up Navy Seals As Iranians And Shoot At Them»
Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.
In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’” according to one of Hersh’s sources.
During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:
HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.
Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.
Hersh argued that one of the things the Bush administration learned during the encounter in the Strait of Hormuz was that, “if you get the right incident, the American public will support” it.
“Look, is it high school? Yeah,” Hersh said. “Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.”
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HERSH: There was a meeting. Among the items considered and rejected — which is why the New Yorker did not publish it, on grounds that it wasn’t accepted — one of the items was why not…
There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.
And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.
So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected — uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they’re mice training to be rats.
But the point is jejune, if you know what that means. Silly? Maybe. But potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the incident was the American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we’re into it.
…What happened in the Gulf was, in the Straits, in early January, the President was just about to go to the Middle East for a visit. So that was one reason they wanted to gin it up. Get it going.
Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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uh...
so.........
then they decided no one would buy it, so..........
they figured to try the WMD thing again...
do you think we would fall for it?
uh...........
yep.. |
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You kidding me? These sheeple eat it up man! Breakfast lunch and supper! It's just bizar as hell.  |
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This isn't over it's been on under ground radio all weekend. Evidence is being gathered, and all the main players in the recent impeachment procedings are being brought up to date and provided evidence and transcripts of the meeting in question.
These bastards wanted to kill our own men! They are Traitor's in every sense of the word. |
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they've been traitors since the beginning.
they were traitors during Ws fathers reign..
they are traitors still.
and THEY won't commit suicide, or have an accident in THEIR car or plane,
but be careful you aren't in one, or on one whenever the chief procecutor sits down next to you..
don't FORGET the april "coup", and see which generals commited 'suicide". |
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| evutch wrote: |
they've been traitors since the beginning.
they were traitors during Ws fathers reign..
they are traitors still.
and THEY won't commit suicide, or have an accident in THEIR car or plane,
but be careful you aren't in one, or on one whenever the chief procecutor sits down next to you..
don't FORGET the april "coup", and see which generals commited 'suicide". |
Venezuela 1923 congruent w/ Bush....?...man you ain't pickled enough, have another beer.
that's knida like
congruent w/
....oh please.... |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| screamzero wrote: |
| evutch wrote: |
they've been traitors since the beginning.
they were traitors during Ws fathers reign..
they are traitors still.
and THEY won't commit suicide, or have an accident in THEIR car or plane,
but be careful you aren't in one, or on one whenever the chief procecutor sits down next to you..
don't FORGET the april "coup", and see which generals commited 'suicide". |
Venezuela 1923 congruent w/ Bush....?...man you ain't pickled enough, have another beer.
that's knida like
congruent w/
....oh please.... |
Not Treason SZ 
What would you call it when the second most senior civilian political leader. Discusses setting up American soldiers, as clandestine targets for each other? Put SEALS and Soldiers in a position to shoot it out and kill each other. All in a faked effort to set Iran up for the fall, and justify an attack.
This isn't going away SZ, this is a legitimate report.
You should be outraged. |
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Pay no mind to the paid propagandist. He is like a side show circus. 
But seriously, are you gentelmen really surprised? Our democracy is lost thanks to things like Diebold. Bush was never elected into office. Those who have taken over don't have alliences to US the People. We The People have been murdered before and will be again.
Wake me for the revolution. |
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| Computer_Guy wrote: |
This isn't over it's been on under ground radio all weekend. Evidence is being gathered, and all the main players in the recent impeachment procedings are being brought up to date and provided evidence and transcripts of the meeting in question.
These bastards wanted to kill our own men! They are Traitor's in every sense of the word. |
I am dangerous going to use big N's post link as reference: CG, cut the panic crap. That idea was abandoned according your fearless leader's link-
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You oughta get CG on to your fledgling propaganda team, nesaei. the Panic Brain Stem department...just make sure he don't git all reptilian on ya... |
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Based almost entirely on anonymous sources ("a Pentagon advisor" is not to be confused with "a Pentagon consultant"), it starts off with the allegation that the United States is planning strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities. I hope so. But planning isn't the same thing as doing. Hersh's article offers no reason to think a war really is "coming."
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2005/012705.htm
Gloating over Seymour Hersh's "revelations" about Jonathan Pollard overshadows more recent evidence that the accusations were based on statements made by a compulsive liar and a self-confessed con artist.
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/1991/071291.htm
Character assassination. A simplistic moral universe in which the U.S. is the villain and Israel the only country yet more villainous. Anonymous sources that cannot be checked. Dark charges based on a crazy patchwork of suppositions. Far-out conspiracy theories. Con men as sources. Reputable sources misquoted. These constitute the decades-long MO of Seymour Hersh, the man now serving as star investigative reporter of the New Yorker.
http://www.jonathanpollard.org/2004/070004.htm
..so much for the great Seymore Hersh. He's earned his slot in the Little House of Horrors. Feed me Seymore! |
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You give the bastard a pass because he considered it but didn't go through with it.
You should be wondering what he did go through with don't ya think?
How would you feel about a SOB that talked about killing your buddies, but changed his mind?
I don't panick Son, I react. And so do a a few million other Veterans in this country.
I understand you like to remain critical about alot of this stuff SZ. But really if you give two sh-ts about this country and our troops you might try showing it a little. |
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boy, when the same criteria for proof falls on a drunk broad, who can disparaige a scientist, it's OK!
isn't it funny what the right considers conspiracy?
isn't it funny that it's not a right left issue, but the TRUTH.
but we aren't looking for the truth are we screamie?
we're looking for rightist justification.
that's why none of your screaming ever means crap.
that's why you yell so much.
a little truth unravels all the lies of dunce in chief and his hand masters..
start yelling dunce lover.. |
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