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I've heard so many differant things about what happend when we went to the moon, what was on it, why we haven't gone back, and i've also heard we've never really been there, and also that ppl went before neil armstrong but all died from some other life.
what have you guys all heard?...what do you believe?? I actaully am surprised we haven't been back after all these years.....something seems fishy |
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Moon |
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| beyond_it wrote: |
I've heard so many differant things about what happend when we went to the moon, what was on it, why we haven't gone back, and i've also heard we've never really been there, and also that ppl went before neil armstrong but all died from some other life.
what have you guys all heard?...what do you believe?? I actaully am surprised we haven't been back after all these years.....something seems fishy |
We never got anything from the moon that warrants spending the money. The moon missions were more political than they were scientific, and shockingly, as soon as China starts boasting about going to the moon sure enough there are plans for the U.S. to go again. |
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I believe we went to the moon and I think Rob is right about finding nothing on the moon that would warrant going back there. But I also think that the moon is the best place to establish a base if we want to explore the rest of our solar system. The moon's gravity is one sixth that of the earth's. That means that a ship launched from the moon would require one sixth the amount of fuel that it would require to launch the same ship from earth.
It will be expensive to establish a moon base but I think it would be worth the expense. If we want to explore our solar system with manned or unmanned space craft? |
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The expense of establishing a moon base is not really the problem, it's the expense of maintaining it. Unlike a Mars colony, there are no natural resources on the moon that could sustain life, while water, oxygen, and CO2 can be manufactured from the Martian enviroment.
Whether you launch from the Earth or the moon, it's still a 6 month trip to our closest neighbor... The cheaper cost of launching from the moon would be offset by the expense of keeping the base and it's people sustained, compared to launching from Earth. |
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| space elevator will be far cheaper then establishing a moon base to launch from. no need for massive amounts of fuel to escape gravity either. And once at the end of the tether an attached shuttle could simply be released and partially propelled towards other planets/moons without fuel. |
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Yeah Rob good points. Just supplying the moon base with water would ruin our budget. So we'll have to waite untill our robot technology and or nano technology is sophisticated enough to staff our moon base.
I like the space elevator idea too. |
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Um. Actually...water can be extracted from moon rocks, which means breathable atmosphere for a base can also be manufactured. Even for a Mars mission, having a base on the Moon would be a great help. These are the baby steps, guys; they lead to other planets, survival as a species, and other tiny, inconsequential things like that.  |
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| martiandrifter01 wrote: |
| Um. Actually...water can be extracted from moon rocks, which means breathable atmosphere for a base can also be manufactured. Even for a Mars mission, having a base on the Moon would be a great help. These are the baby steps, guys; they lead to other planets, survival as a species, and other tiny, inconsequential things like that. |
I had read that we could manufacture Oxygen and water from the Moon's crust but I though it was in a science fiction story.
Using robots and nano technology we could build the base without wasting a lot of money on maintaining a human environment. Then when the robots get the base up and running. Humans could be added if needed. |
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Watched 'em extracting water from moon rocks using an autoclave on TV, think it was the Science Channel.
For beyond_it: Yes, we went to the moon. Several grown men had the opportunity to hop and skip about like children on its surface in the name of science. Watched it live on TV before we had the technology to high-quality fakes. NASA's computers at the time could be outgunned by a Commodore C-64 with a single flippy-floppy-disk drive ('flippy': you have to take the disk out and turn it over to use the other side).
It'll be a real joy to me, seeing us back on the moon. Baby steps all the way but we'll get to the stars eventually!  |
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| martiandrifter01 wrote: |
Watched 'em extracting water from moon rocks using an autoclave on TV, think it was the Science Channel.
For beyond_it: Yes, we went to the moon. Several grown men had the opportunity to hop and skip about like children on its surface in the name of science. Watched it live on TV before we had the technology to high-quality fakes. NASA's computers at the time could be outgunned by a Commodore C-64 with a single flippy-floppy-disk drive ('flippy': you have to take the disk out and turn it over to use the other side).
It'll be a real joy to me, seeing us back on the moon. Baby steps all the way but we'll get to the stars eventually! |
Yeah I wasn't payiing much attention to the Moon landing and I still saw it dozens of times. It was the only thing on TV many times.
I think we will make it to the stars but the first few trips will be at less than the speed of light, one way and probably be robot. And there is a good chance that while our first few ships are still enroute. Our technology will advance to the point that we have faster than light propulsion systems. Then the ships we send out will overtake the first ships that were sent decades ago.
Pioneer is still headed out from our Solar system but it's slowing down and probably will be down to a crawl in a few more decades. |
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Very cool. Hot on the tail of the two Voyagers.
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| My opinion on the matter is that FTL or near light speed vehicles will almost definitely not be constructed on Earth, and if they are they will almost definitely not be self propelled until they are outside of the atmosphere. I'm thinking the moon will be first, we will continue exploring mars, maybe set up a base there even. I think that we're going to have orbital drydocks constructed before manned missions to other star systems are possible though. |
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Watched 'em extracting water from moon rocks using an autoclave on TV, think it was the Science Channel.
For beyond_it: Yes, we went to the moon. Several grown men had the opportunity to hop and skip about like children on its surface in the name of science. Watched it live on TV before we had the technology to high-quality fakes. NASA's computers at the time could be outgunned by a Commodore C-64 with a single flippy-floppy-disk drive ('flippy': you have to take the disk out and turn it over to use the other side).
It'll be a real joy to me, seeing us back on the moon. Baby steps all the way but we'll get to the stars eventually! |
You wouldn't happen to have this recorded or anything would you? To the best of my knowledge it's never happened. There is an ongoing contest with a pretty large cash prize to anyone who can extract oxygen from moon rocks and I don't think it's been claimed.
They say moon dust is nearly 50% oxygen, but we can't extract it just yet.
edit: I'm sorry, looks like the contest has closed as of 01Jun2008 however I guess the research is ongoing.
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Willo, if you go to discovery.com, they should have links to all manner of interesting stuff they've covered in their programs. Another personal favorite is Discover Magazine; I've found frequently they report cutting-edge news in layman's terms (I can read scientific jargon but don't like it), and if you pay attention Mainstream Media is usually 3 to 5 YEARS behind them in reporting it. 
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| Perhaps you are correct Drifter, alls I am saying is if no one can extract just 5 kg of breathable oxygen from lunar dust which is give or take 50% oxygen for $250,000 then it's either not practical or highly improbably they're going to get liquid water from a moon rock. |
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