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Halfabo
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Not only that, but the poor snake was "cursed" because it allowed "Satan" to inhabit his body, use his non-existent vocal cords to "tempt" Eve.
The species of snakes has taken a hit for centuries because of this... |
The animal doesn't need vocal cords, when it is the demon speaking. And the serpent didn't have to cooperate with Satan, it allowed itself to be used by him.
Read the story of the demons called Legion that were cast out by Jesus. They were allowed to go into a herd of pigs when they left the man. Rather than allowing themselves to be possessed by the demons, the pigs ran into the sea and drowned themselves. |
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Just a question yall and humor me because i'm young but where in Genesis does it say its all symbolism, i took it quite literally.
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It doesn't imply anywhere in Genesis that any of it is symbolic. I also take it very literally, there's no reason not to.
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| Also wasn't the snake satan? So couldn't he make the snake talk, you know posession or something? |
Satan did posses the body of the serpent, what ever its form was at the time. And a demon possessing the body of anyone or anything, is not limited to the physical limitations of the body they are in. I have seen a possessed person speaking in a language that was totally foreign to the possessed person. I have also heard the voice of a demon after it had left the person it was possessing. |
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| Kadara wrote: |
Just a question yall and humor me because i'm young but where in Genesis does it say its all symbolism, i took it quite literally.
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It doesn't imply anywhere in Genesis that any of it is symbolic. I also take it very literally, there's no reason not to.
Satan did posses the body of the serpent, what ever its form was at the time. And a demon possessing the body of anyone or anything, is not limited to the physical limitations of the body they are in. I have seen a possessed person speaking in a language that was totally foreign to the possessed person. I have also heard the voice of a demon after it had left the person it was possessing. |
Pardon my intrusion. Just feeling the need to document other's personal experience with demons and such.
peace, h. |
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Actually Boas and Anacondas do have residual remnants of legs. Many, of course, attribute this to evolution, and the loss of limbs in snakes. Some see an entirely different reason for their loss of legs. |
Very true. It's really all about what you want to believe. For some evolution seems more logical then a curse put on them by a god.
I just find the punishment to the puppet for what the puppeteer did, rather malicious. |
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Personally I think the "Old Testament" idea of God, had more to do with, just that, mans IDEA of God. God would reflect what mankind felt within himself....and those times were brutal enough to produce a VERY brutal God....the perfection of those ideals, one could say.
The ideas of Christ being so radical as to disrupt the "old ways"...no wonder he was crucified....his concepts, to me, are very radical....
-turn the other cheek
-forgive your enemies
-bless those who curse and despitefully use you
-love your neighbor as yourself
This is what is supposed to defined you if you are a christian, to set you apart from all other belief systems....I would go so far as to say, that if you have accepted these things, you have already accepted Christ (figuratively) even if you have never even heard of Christ. |
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| Halfabo wrote: |
Actually Boas and Anacondas do have residual remnants of legs. Many, of course, attribute this to evolution, and the loss of limbs in snakes. Some see an entirely different reason for their loss of legs. |
Very true. It's really all about what you want to believe. For some evolution seems more logical then a curse put on them by a god.
I just find the punishment to the puppet for what the puppeteer did, rather malicious. |
It's very interesting that you use the puppet analogy. Where your analogy falls short is, Adam & Eve weren't puppets. They were given rules to live by, but also had free will.
The reason the puppet analogy is so interesting to me is, because one time years ago when I was sitting at my desk at work... an epiphany hit me on multiple levels, that revealed the Pinnochio story as a Christian allegory. I had never thought of it that way before, and when it hit me (not thriough a Google search but through my own revelation) I actually burst into tears. There I was at work, at my desk, sobbing and trying to compose myself before someone realized.
And I'm not an emotional person. That was like the first time I had cried in about 7 years. |
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