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Personanongrata
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It's as if greeney hasn't got any good answers, so he's trying to distract us away from the questions.
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You can vote for McCain all you like, regardless of anything, but what is with your reluctance to acknowledge questionable moves on his part? If you are as angry as you appear to be about the Fannie and Freddie fiasco, how can you not be questioning the candidate you plan on voting for having 19 of their lobbyists working for his campaign, some of whom were lobbying for Fannie and Freddie as recently as 2007, and some of whom, as you blame Democrats for it, are former Republican senators?
You wanna call Obama and Biden the 2 most liberal senators... Fine, they are! But who is John McCain? Is this not a Republican senator, who if there was a year book published for the senate, would be in it with the title "Most Likely Republican To Cosponsor A Bill With the Most Liberal Senators" under his picture? Is this not the Republican senator that has such a history of siding with liberals that there was a serious question that he might have been considering running as Kerry's VP in '04? Is this not the Republican senator that many high profile Republican's said they would vote for Hillary Clinton (who was the expected nominee for the Dems at the time) if he won the Republican nomination? Is this not the same Republican senator who cosponsored an amnesty bill with liberalism personified Ted Kennedy?
How can you constantly blame liberal Democrats for all the ills of this country, yet vote, without a hint of disappointment or anger, for their best friend in the Republican party? This is where your attacks on liberals and Democrats have no rationale. This is where you begin turning the blind eye. I don't care who you vote for, or your reason for doing so, it's none of my business... What is my business, and everyone's concern, is people playing the blame game, like you do. If you wanna play the blame game, fine, but let's be real about. There is so much at stake in this election, and all we have to choose from, realistically, are 2 ultra liberal Democratic senators, one of whom has HIGHLY questionable associations, and may very well be a full blown socialist, and on the other side we have the most moderate Republican in the senate, probably more liberal than many of the more moderate Democrats, who has a history of siding with some of the ultra liberals in the senate on some of the more important issues. If that isn't enough, 3 of the 4 people on the 2 tickets are members of a government body that has an approval rating below 10%. There is no logic in you having so much venom towards Democrats and liberals, while giving McCain a free pass, with unwavering unconditional support.
The BS blame game usually doesn't work any year, but it really does not work this year. We are totally screwed, no matter which of these 2 guys wins this election. Pick one, it doesn't really matter. This government has gotten us into the crap we are in now BECAUSE of the blame game, and it might be too late to fix it this year, this election, but the people need to finally recognize it for what it is, and stop TURNING THE BLIND EYE, acting like their candidate/party is heaven sent and without their own bags of BS.
You wanna have a constructive conversation about this topic? There is NOTHING in this post that includes conspiracy theories, or things that are matters of opinion... Everything I stated about McCain is 100% factual... You gonna address it all, or make a post about how I supposedly empty bed pans, and my 3+ years of medical training in a clinical capacity, and thousands of hours spent working in the medical field, including doing phlebotomy work, makes me unable to have an EDUCATED, not expert (never claimed to be an expert) understanding about things concerning AIDS? Your choice Greeney. |
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Rob baby, do u deny that the Dems played a MUCH bigger part in this? After all, it was at their suggestion these programs were ever initiated...just cause ya got a couple of greedy Repubes working for a politician really ain't so surprising. The bottom line (lien  ) is that the Republicans tend to be more conservative and it is frugal and pragmatic behavior (Conservative) that is for want. Those that would disagree are willing to give more away than is fiscally prudent. ( heavy entitlement programmes).
The bailout was a bit chivying shittish; suggestions were given by much better experts fast enough that could have been placed a Hell of lot sooner by more pragmatic minds had panicked bullshitters gotten out of the way. Hell, we have not a few grass roots real estate experts that came up w/ much better suggestions....Confoundgress ought to let pros that knows to do it right and keep to what they know best. Bullshitting. |
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Fiscally responsible republicans? 
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I appreciate when people can look down their noses at people when its the perspective in which you vote, is wrong. You have different priorieties and perspective than I do, and many others evidently. The poll spread isn;t that great, and McCain has come back from worse in the Primaries.
Democrats--Lyndon Johnson and the Viet Nam war! Jimmy Carter--the wrost inflation in history and reduced our military to the worst embarrassment ever! Clinton--gave us the finacial problems going sour today, as well as the trend to all HMO medical plans, and blew the chance to get Bid Laden.
I can not bring myself to vote in the Combination of the 3 most liberial people, all Democrats, running our system, and know what its likly to do to our Defence and our military.
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| greeney2 wrote: |
I appreciate when people can look down their noses at people when its the perspective in which you vote, is wrong. You have different priorieties and perspective than I do, and many others evidently. The poll spread isn;t that great, and McCain has come back from worse in the Primaries.
Democrats--Lyndon Johnson and the Viet Nam war! Jimmy Carter--the wrost inflation in history and reduced our military to the worst embarrassment ever! Clinton--gave us the finacial problems going sour today, as well as the trend to all HMO medical plans, and blew the chance to get Bid Laden.
I can not bring myself to vote in the Combination of the 3 most liberial people, all Democrats, running our system, and know what its likly to do to our Defence and our military.
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Nixon had Watergate. Reagan had Iran/Contra... Republicans, in general, had the 1929 market crash and the 1987 crash. Your throwing all the faults of Democrats in my face is pointless... This is after all a thread about Democrats committing voter fraud on behalf of an organization linked to Obama, started by me
I'm not asking you for your perspective on liberals and Democrats, you've made it abundantly clear what they are. It's your perspective on McCain, with all the facts that are known about McCain. What are your thoughts on McCain having 19 former Fannie and Freddie lobbyists working in his campaign and fund raising for him? You've made it clear what your thoughts on Obama's connections to them are. What are your thoughts on McCain often siding with the most liberal of liberals, like Ted Kennedy on the amnesty bill? They aren't loaded questions, I'm just interested in knowing your thoughts, Jesus Christ man.
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| Rob baby, do u deny that the Dems played a MUCH bigger part in this? |
I don't deny they played a big role, it just doesn't matter to me who played a bigger role, I want them ALL held accountable. What I won't do is ignore the fact that of the past 13 years, over 3 presidential terms, the Democrats have controlled congress for 1 year and 10 months (putting most of the blame on them for all this is like blaming Bush for 9/11 when he was in office for 9 months) and controlled the presidency for less than half of those 13 years, and I know of 2 Republican U.S. senators who have had a career of lobbying for Freddie Mac since leaving office in the late 90's, and we've had a Republican president, who claimed he was a fiscal conservative in 2000, spending money all over the place... The Republican party is not getting a free pass from me.
I don't deny Democrats did anything, but I'm a Republican, and I'm more concerned about the shady things my party is doing in my yard. I know that must be a hard concept for you to understand, but I'm much more likely to vote Republican than Democrat, so I care more about who I give my vote to. The blame game nonsense reminds me of 2 kids in the back seat of a car getting yelled at by a parent, and crying "He started"... It's expected from little kids, it's utterly pathetic when it's coming from adult men and women. I'm furious about the resent market issues, so I'm supposed to turn a blind eye to the 19 Fannie and Freddie lobbyists working for and with McCain's campaign, like you and Greeney? No, not happening. |
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