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maelstrom
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| Saying the Holocaust didn't happen is akin to saying the Vietnam War didn't happen. |
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| Ok, so why do Germany's laws apply to an Australian? |
I imagine they don't, unless said Australian is in Germany.
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| Do Armenians get extradited to Turkey when they call the Armenian holocaust a holocaust? What about Turks who deny that holocaust? Do they get extradited to Armenia? |
Don't think so, could be wrong though.
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| Something about this, intuitively smells rotton. |
Unless, of course, this guy committed some crime in Germany, and they managed to bring him back to be tried there, and he's using the fact that he's a Jew going back to Evil Nazi Land as a scapegoat to win the pity card. |
He was arrested in the plane he was in in Heathrow when he was about to change planes for the final leg of his journey to Dubai.
It is not illegal to question the Jew's version of the Holocaust in the UK.
Something's fishy all right. It really stinks.
But perhaps as the list of true scholars who are arrested for thought crimes increases the lemmings will notice something is wrong. That would be good. |
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Oh jESUS!
Read what the scholars say about those alleged gas-chambers where those creatures were supposed to have died!
Read crematorium EXPERTS from your own country who state categorically that those chambers were completely unsuited for any purpose other than de-lousing.
Look at the photographic evidence and how the pics have been doctored.
See where the Zionists (Jews) smashed crude holes in the rooves where no holes were during wartime - where the cyanide pellets were alleged to have been dropped.
If you can still believe those fantastic stories about how the Germans gassed Jews with HCN after being educated by experts then you are as gullible and hopelessly naive as I have always thought you were (Aqua).
Bottom line is that if the Germans gassed those specimens the way they have written, the Germans would have died as well.
How many stories did they conjure up before the gassing fairy tale was chosen?
They were vapourised by a special ray which left no remains?
They were burnt in pits with coke?
Gassed by diesel fumes in the backs of trucks?
Their skin used to make lampshades and their skulls were paperweights?
Before the Jews completely strangled the media the Allied officers at the Nuremburg trials who had not been ordered to keep quiet stated for the record that prisoners claiming they had witnessed HCN gassings should be tried for perjory. A special mention was made of it being those Jews who perpetuated the myth.
The exhibits in the remains of the alleged death-camps such as the boots and clothes are visible through windows only, and there are false floors so that what the spectator sees as a room full of boots is only one layer deep with a plywood floor set at an angle against the far walls.
What better way to divert suspicion of the Jew's own revolting orgies of mayhem, murder, rape and genocide than to accuse an enemy which is unable to be heard?
And besides, it was the allies who created most of the misery and death at those camps as it was they who prevented supplies reaching them.
The victims mostly died of typhus.
Read something not approved by the victors and learn something.
* But I know you won't. You're too afraid of distancing yourself too far from what your dreadful government (ostensibly by Jews) has deemed acceptable because you need their protection more than straight people. |
This babble is the most obvious evidence that you're so-o-o-o messed up. I'd rather worship the ground that Crud Guts walks on than ever to let you breath. You best hope you never meet a man like me in person and espouse your pig prose aloud. Your a hateful tnuc.....fire with fire. |
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| Ok, so why do Germany's laws apply to an Australian? |
I imagine they don't, unless said Australian is in Germany.
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| Do Armenians get extradited to Turkey when they call the Armenian holocaust a holocaust? What about Turks who deny that holocaust? Do they get extradited to Armenia? |
Don't think so, could be wrong though.
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| Something about this, intuitively smells rotton. |
Unless, of course, this guy committed some crime in Germany, and they managed to bring him back to be tried there, and he's using the fact that he's a Jew going back to Evil Nazi Land as a scapegoat to win the pity card. |
He was arrested in the plane he was in in Heathrow when he was about to change planes for the final leg of his journey to Dubai.
It is not illegal to question the Jew's version of the Holocaust in the UK.
Something's fishy all right. It really stinks.
But perhaps as the list of true scholars who are arrested for thought crimes increases the lemmings will notice something is wrong. That would be good. |
Thats all fine and dandy, but it doesn't give much background to what he COULD have done at some recent point in his life that happened to be in Germany. |
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I just want to know why questioning history is considered unlawful.
If I question the US "civil" war, I don't get locked up. If an Australian questioned the US "civil" war, they're not extradited here to be procecuted. What is different about WWII? |
It's not.
Putting out publicized and pervasive texts regarded as hate speech on the international forum, however, is. |
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There are 2 reasons why Toben is and has been prosecuted in the past under German laws.
1) He is German by Birth.
2) He published the offensive material in Germany. |
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There are 2 reasons why Toben is and has been prosecuted in the past under German laws.
1) He is German by Birth.
2) He published the offensive material in Germany. |
(Point 1) Toben's place of birth is nither here nor there.
(Point 2) He published the non-offensive material in Australia,
( on an Australian internet server) yet he is being charged because the article was also seen in Germany.............???
He was In Australia, when he Published the said article's, yet was arrested as he was flying through Europe.
Toben's not Saying the Holocaust didn't happen.
Just that the Jews exsagerate the number of Jews who died.
Fact.....most prisoners at Auschwitz were Poles, not Jews.
It is estimated that 17 million people died in the holocaust.
non jewish victims of the holocaust
Soviets.....................over 15 million + died
Poles......................over 5.5 - 5.9 million died
Communists................... over 15,000 + died
Greaks........................over 500,000 Greeks died.
Yugoslaves.....................over 1.8 million died.
Gypsies...................... over 400 000.
Jehovah's Witnesses........... over 30,000 died.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005394
Homosexuals..........1.2 million men were imprisoned homosexuals in Germany's camps, 25,000 - 50,000 eventually perished in the concentration camps.
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Lucaire.htm
Most Holocaust photos were taken by the Germans.
Did you know that many of the images of the Holocaust are of NON, jewish people.
there is a lot of info out there about the use of none jewish images in Holocaust Museums.
THE FACT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN IMAGE/PHOTOS OF PEOPLE IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, IT'S MORE THAN LIKLY IT'S A NONE JEWISH PERSON.
THE JEWS HAVE USED PICTURES OF NONE JEWS TO PROPAGATE THEIR MYTHS, & ELICIT SYMPATHY BEYOND WHAT THEY ENDURED.
& AT THE EXPANSES OF EVERY OTHER VICTIM OF THE HOLOCAUSThttp://www.jewwatch.com/jew-holocaust-folder-us-holocaust-museum.html |
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Actually Toben's place of birth is an issue, as it was in the Zundel case. When the perp is German by birth and its over the crime Holocaust denial in the fatherland, German allied nations tend to give into extradition and deportation.
2nd Gernman authorities are not after him for the Jews only, holocaust denial crimes fall under the category of "dishonoring the dead" which in Germany isn't just necrophilia.
Rath
you might call it non-offensive to lower the body count to the hundred thousands, the families of the millions who died do not. Really think hard about your it, if your grandparents, parents, siblings, or friends were murdered you'd want justicenad for it not to happen again, but then some bozo comes along and says that they weren't murdered, and the few that weren't was no big deal you're going to take offense and possibly give the jerk a bloody nose in the very least. The holocaust killed millions the survivors and their famalies know this intimately, but these holocaust deniers have built up this lie that it didn't happen for their own political and power agendas. Its a crime I don't always agree with revolking of citzenship and deportation on the subject, but his material was published in Germany which meanshe committed a crime there and profitted from it. ITs a crime worth nipping in the bud unless you want Germany to be the main enemy in WWIII.
Sooner many of you will come to realize the rules of your own country don't alway come into play in other legal systems, or international extradition. |
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| Actually Toben's place of birth is an issue, as it was in the Zundel case. When the perp is German by birth and its over the crime Holocaust denial in the fatherland, German allied nations tend to give into extradition and deportation. |
* It's not a legal issue. It must be personal.
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| 2nd Gernman authorities are not after him for the Jews only, holocaust denial crimes fall under the category of "dishonoring the dead" which in Germany isn't just necrophilia. |
* It's a thought crime.
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you might call it non-offensive to lower the body count to the hundred thousands, the families of the millions who died do not. |
* Americans paid for Hitler's war effort, and the Yanks massacred plenty after they got to edit the history books and work without oversight. If only you knew or had a clue. 
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| Really think hard about your it, if your grandparents, parents, siblings, or friends were murdered you'd want justicenad for it not to happen again, but then some bozo comes along and says that they weren't murdered, and the few that weren't was no big deal you're going to take offense and possibly give the jerk a bloody nose in the very least. |
Some people might. Rath may not. I doubt I would if I was made aware of facts which proved my information faulty.
And people would rather saw their own legs off than go through the task of being re-educated, even if it were with the previously hidden truth.
* Laziness and fear is a factor in the lack of interest in delving into the different accounts of history from the people who won the war and wrote their convenient version of events to suit their agenda.
* But your lack of willingness to look at what these gifted scholars have to say is due more to personal weakness and fear rather than laziness.
* The 'Holocaust' contains far too many glaring errors and can only survive with laws forbidding fair and impartial considerations of the information which is at hand.
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| The holocaust killed millions the survivors and their famalies know this intimately, but these holocaust deniers have built up this lie that it didn't happen for their own political and power agendas. |
* How many times do you have to be told that this Toben chappie is not denying the Holocaust. He and many other accomplished men and women are saying the numbers are exaggerated and many of the alleged events did not take place. And he and they are confident that the evidence at hand is conclusive proof of this. This evidence is harmful to the Satanic elite which currently control this planet.
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| Its a crime I don't always agree with revolking of citzenship and deportation on the subject, but his material was published in Germany which meanshe committed a crime there and profitted from it. ITs a crime worth nipping in the bud unless you want Germany to be the main enemy in WWIII. |
* The material could be seen in Germany (and everywhere else except China perhaps). It was not published there. He was arrested in a country which has no law against questioning the Holocaust. It stinks, and the British papers are strongly against this appalling act by those who rule the UK who arranged for this kidnapping.
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| Sooner many of you will come to realize the rules of your own country don't alway come into play in other legal systems, or international extradition. |
* That's the New World Order for you. And this is one of the reasons I am doing what I can to make people aware of it and to fight it.
You come across as a bleeding heart. This is very feminine. |
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It is a legal issue because it has been taken into the legal system for judgement.
Denying the Holocaust is denying a factual event, denying the holocaust is not a thought crime its a outright lie that was printed and distributed for profit and political purpose which comes down to libel under any system. It is also dealing with a REAL danger when it comes to Germany which has a history of radical violence, because holocaust deniers and Nazis are a threat to peace in Germany.
Yes we Yanks have massacred just about anyone that got in our way, BUT we don't deny it. And its the other way around The USA didn't pay for Hitler, Hitler was paying debts off to the USA through the Bank Of International Settlements by using the holocaust to acquire the wealth of its victiims. The plot is not too different from the property grabs the Puritans did in Salem, Massachusetts.
Here's the 1999 warrant in which he was convicted and sentenced to 9 months..
http://www.ihr.org/other/990503warrant.html
I don't think he's changed since then, and I bet the he gets a few months again. Commit the crime do the time.
Oh look another famous holocaust denier with Toben.
.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Maddi_and_Fred.JPG |
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I just want to know why questioning history is considered unlawful.
If I question the US "civil" war, I don't get locked up. If an Australian questioned the US "civil" war, they're not extradited here to be procecuted. What is different about WWII? |
It's not.
Putting out publicized and pervasive texts regarded as hate speech on the international forum, however, is. |
Specifically what was that "hate speech"? |
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holocaust denial crimes fall under the category of "dishonoring the dead" which in Germany isn't just necrophilia.
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Wait what???? Questioning history is comparable to necrophilia???  How does that work? Thats like comparing rape to a females right to vote. Neither have anything to do with one another.
That is so irrational.
Thats like the US not admitting that the holocaust against the Armenians was a holocaust. It was. Why doesn't the US admit it? But, we know that happened. Why is it illegal in Turkey to admit that the Ottoman empire slaughtered millions of Christian Armenians? Then again, I expect it from a country like Turkey. I don't expect it from Germany. Especially for Germans who live abroad.
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Denying the Holocaust is denying a factual event, |
Is it?
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Yes we Yanks have massacred just about anyone that got in our way, BUT we don't deny it. |
We don't deny it TODAY. How many years did it take to admit that the Europeans committed genocide against the Natives? How many Natives married into whites for their children's safety? So they could "pass" for white? How much racism continues today against Natives? How much racism continues today against whites by Natives? To both those questions, too much!
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And its the other way around The USA didn't pay for Hitler, Hitler was paying debts off to the USA through the Bank Of International Settlements by using the holocaust to acquire the wealth of its victiims. The plot is not too different from the property grabs the Puritans did in Salem, Massachusetts. |
Or the property grab that Lincoln committed to "free" the slaves? How many tribes were ticked off about that one? I know the Tlinkets wanted retribution for that one. How many Asian slaves did Natives have? Who cares, that was the west coast and the US revolves around the east coast. |
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Holocaust Denial IS NOT questioning history. The holocaust happened; over 12 million people died under Hitler's Reich and more died in Stalin's purges. Its not real questioning either, its wanting a lie to be the fact and then manufacturing evidence to back up the lie. It ranks up there with idiots who think the USA didn't land people on the moon, only it's more sinister in intent.
Necrophilia is "dishonoring the dead" and I'd actually say holocaust denial is actually worse because it has far a more evil purpose behind it than boffing a piece of dead meat.
Atleast Canada is starting to own up to its genocide in the residential schools. The Nazis who were millions of times worse and they got caught redhanded. Its not historical revisionism or questioning history to question the fact that the holocaust happened its just plain old stupidity and evil to defend those murderers. If you don't understand this crime against humanity actually happened then... may the gods have mercy on your poor souls because you'll be doomed to repeat the same wretched mistakes. |
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| Holocaust Denial IS NOT questioning history. The holocaust happened; over 12 million people died under Hitler's Reich and more died in Stalin's purges. Its not real questioning either, its wanting a lie to be the fact and then manufacturing evidence to back up the lie. It ranks up there with idiots who think the USA didn't land people on the moon, only it's more sinister in intent. |
* For the Nth time. This is about Holocaust revisionists. Can you finally get this through your filter?
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| Necrophilia is "dishonoring the dead" and I'd actually say holocaust denial is actually worse because it has far a more evil purpose behind it than boffing a piece of dead meat. |
* Are you still talking about denial? Let me know when you are ready to debate the matter at hand.
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| Atleast Canada is starting to own up to its genocide in the residential schools. The Nazis who were millions of times worse and they got caught redhanded. |
* And that's no exaggeration, is it? 
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| Its not historical revisionism or questioning history to question the fact that the holocaust happened its just plain old stupidity and evil to defend those murderers. |
* I would like to draw you attention to the pertinant fact that it is not the event which is being questioned here, but the details of said "Holocaust" which are claimed to have occured
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| If you don't understand this crime against humanity actually happened then... may the gods have mercy on your poor souls because you'll be doomed to repeat the same wretched mistakes. |
* The Nazis won and they run your rotten country. They also run mine and almost everywhere else either by direct control or through their influence.
I'll bet you haven't the guts to read what these people have to say and prefer to sit with a box of tissues and hear how the Germans made the Jews stand in a frozen field and then took the children and tore off their clothes and pushed them into pits filled with starving attack dogs and gambled on the time each victim lasted. No no nooo!! I wasn't serious! It didn't happen! The Jews are famous for their fairy stories. |
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