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rath
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 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: Germans out to get me, says Holocaust Historian |
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October 02, 2008.
AUSTRALIAN revisionist historian Fredrick Toben will tomorrow fight his extradition to Germany, where he is wanted for alleged Holocaust denial.
Metropolitan Police arrested 64-year-old Gerald Fredrick Toben, commonly known by his middle name, on a plane at London's Heathrow airport yesterday while in transit from the United States to Dubai.
They were executing a European arrest warrant issued by the District Court of Mannheim in Germany, which accuses Dr Toben of publishing internet material "of an anti-Semitic and/or revisionist nature".
The alleged offences were committed in Australia, Germany and other countries, according to the warrant.
Representing himself in an appearance at City of Westminster Magistrates Court, Dr Toben was asked to confirm his identity.
"I'm the one, your honour ... Dr Fredrick Toben has been caught in London," he replied.
He did not consent to being extradited and was remanded in custody to reappear for an extradition hearing at 2.00pm (11pm AEST) on October 3.
Dr Toben told the court he did not believe he would receive a fair trial in Germany and claimed he was the victim of "legal persecution".
"It's a witch trial mentality in Germany concerning this matter, which is not the case in England yet," he said.
"I see this matter as a legal ambush."
Representing the District Court of Mannheim, Tina Whybrow said Dr Toben was accused of computer-related crime and racism and xenophobia.
"This is a serious offence, the penalty for this offence is up to five years (imprisonment)," she said.
It is alleged that since 2002 Dr Toben published online material of an anti-Semitic and, or, revisionist nature deliberately contrary to historical truth. The warrant alleges: "The said publications deny, approve or play down above all the mass murder of the Jews, planned and implemented, by the national socialist rulers".
Opposing bail, Whybrow said Dr Toben was seen to move seats after detectives boarded the plane to arrest him.
"Police officers assert that was a bid to avoid detection," she said.
When Dr Toben was being cautioned by the officers, she said his response was: "I can't be arrested on British soil".
Dr Toben said he was sentenced to 10 months in prison, reduced to seven months for "good behaviour", in Germany in 1999 but returned to Australia after being granted bail.
He also told the court he was facing a possible jail sentence in Australia in a matter relating to material posted on the website of the Adelaide Institute, of which he is director.
Dr Toben yesterday asked District Judge Nicholas Evans to release him.
"I can't run anywhere - the world is my prison, I'm well-known," Dr Toben said.
"It will take great moral courage and intellectual courage to let me go."
The judge responded: "I've gone beyond that. I'm not going to let you go. We'll fix a hearing for next week, give you time to think about it."
Dr Toben responded: "I see no sense. The Germans are out to get me."
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n4p-2_Toben.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p14_censorship.html |
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He's just saying that so people will follow the idea that he's being discriminated against and he'll get off lightly on his trial.
What a prick. |
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The list of educated and intelligent men and women being arrested for thought crimes gets longer.
The only way to keep the hollowhoax myth alive is to silence people aware of the facts.
When justice is seen to be done then the Zionists will have earnt another pogrom. Personally I wouldn't shed a tear if they were all rounded up and gassed. - This time for real.
Why not read what he has to say about the so-called Holocaust? Educate yourself. Are you afraid you might stop believing the lies?
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I see I have to post this again.
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Zyklon B (Hydrogen Cyanide):
"In delousing, concentrations of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) are sometimes used, and exposure time can be up to 72 hours; while 300 ppm will kill people in fifteen minutes or so."
http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html
"According to the manufacturers of the product, it only requires 0.3 grams per cubic meter to kill human beings, whereas concentrations of up to 10 grams per cubic meter were routinely employed to destroy insects"
http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
Pressac, Jean Claude, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, 1989, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation (New York), p. 18.
Gas Chamber Size
"the gas chambers were not that large (those in Krematoria II and III were about 210 square meters)"
6 Death Camps: Teblinka, Chelmo, Sobibor, Belzac, Auschwitz, Plazow
(also Majdanek)
http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blmap.htm
Nazi claim of number of Jews exterminated: 6 million
6 million people divided by 6 camps equals 1 million Jews killed per camp
1 million people divided by a 365 day year equals 2739.76 killed per day
If one allows that 1 person occupies 1 square meter of floor space than the combined use of 2 gas chambers equals 420 people to be exterminated at once in 15 minutes. 2739.76 people divided by 420 equals 6.52 extermination runs per day roughly 1 extermination run every two hours in a 12 hour work day.
Holocaust begins 1941 and last through 1945
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html
thus 4 years to kill 6 million Jews alone. 6.42 Extermination runs per day are now divided by 4 years thus coming to 1.6 extermination runs per day. 1.6 runs times 420 people equals 672 people killed per day per camp for 4 years.
For comparison purposes:
Population of New York City: 8,008,278
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/soc/faculty/ayala/centro/Census2000/NYC/
Disney World's Visitors Per Year: 40 million
http://www.villas4all.com/florida-attractions-disney.php
Average Elementary School Populations of students per school by state (400+ appears often) http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/tables/dt04_097.asp
Thomas Built School Bus Type D Saf-T-Liner has a seating capacity of 54-90 passengers
http://www.thomasbus.com/prod_school/typeD.asp
Rather easy to exterminate alot of people isn't it. Don't be fooled the Holocaust happened and an equal number of non Jews died in them as well.
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A recording of Heinrich Himmler's Speech in Poznan (Posnan), Poland October 3, 1943 survived with these points:
A. I will talk openly about difficult secrets
2. But we naturally knew to keep it secret
1. Some want to make exceptions for "good Jews"
3. We've seen it, we're strong, it is our secret glory
B. The "Jewish evacuation" is the extermination of the Jews
C. Some take it too lightly
2. They have not witnessed the killing and the corpses
3. We've seen it, we're strong, it is our secret glory
D. The Jews would cripple Germany, so this is important
1. The Jews betrayed us in the First World War
E. The Jewish riches are all for the State
2. A few have, and they have been executed
4. We have a duty to kill, but no right to profit
6. We do this for love of Germany, not for personal gain
7. So we remain strong and pure
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/ |
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Oh jESUS!
Read what the scholars say about those alleged gas-chambers where those creatures were supposed to have died!
Read crematorium EXPERTS from your own country who state categorically that those chambers were completely unsuited for any purpose other than de-lousing.
Look at the photographic evidence and how the pics have been doctored.
See where the Zionists (Jews) smashed crude holes in the rooves where no holes were during wartime - where the cyanide pellets were alleged to have been dropped.
If you can still believe those fantastic stories about how the Germans gassed Jews with HCN after being educated by experts then you are as gullible and hopelessly naive as I have always thought you were (Aqua).
Bottom line is that if the Germans gassed those specimens the way they have written, the Germans would have died as well.
How many stories did they conjure up before the gassing fairy tale was chosen?
They were vapourised by a special ray which left no remains?
They were burnt in pits with coke?
Gassed by diesel fumes in the backs of trucks?
Their skin used to make lampshades and their skulls were paperweights?
Before the Jews completely strangled the media the Allied officers at the Nuremburg trials who had not been ordered to keep quiet stated for the record that prisoners claiming they had witnessed HCN gassings should be tried for perjory. A special mention was made of it being those Jews who perpetuated the myth.
The exhibits in the remains of the alleged death-camps such as the boots and clothes are visible through windows only, and there are false floors so that what the spectator sees as a room full of boots is only one layer deep with a plywood floor set at an angle against the far walls.
What better way to divert suspicion of the Jew's own revolting orgies of mayhem, murder, rape and genocide than to accuse an enemy which is unable to be heard?
And besides, it was the allies who created most of the misery and death at those camps as it was they who prevented supplies reaching them.
The victims mostly died of typhus.
Read something not approved by the victors and learn something.
* But I know you won't. You're too afraid of distancing yourself too far from what your dreadful government (ostensibly by Jews) has deemed acceptable because you need their protection more than straight people. |
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| Deklousing takes more ZyklonB parts per milllion than killing humans scientific fact and longer. If they wer fit for delousing the were certainly fit for extermination. |
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| Deklousing takes more ZyklonB parts per milllion than killing humans scientific fact and longer. If they wer fit for delousing the were certainly fit for extermination. |
Is that what your whole argument rests on?
The fact that it takes less HCN to kill a person than it does to de-louse clothing/bedding proves that it was used to kill those people?
* Then I hope you haven't got any sharp instruments within reach, and that all your cupboards are securely locked. Your toilet bleach might cause another mini-hOLLOWHOAX. Oh the paranoid and deluded.  |
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Is that also your reply to the accounts by the 42nd, 45th, 522nd, 82nd 89th, 97th and all the other groups of men who liberated the Death camps that they didn't see what the actually saw?
If you look at the calculations I put above you will see that not only was the holocaust possible it was downright easy to do. And tahts the real horror of it, it was too dang easy. Aztecs move over 20000 human sacrifices in 4 days the holocaust in Germany did atleast 98604 in a four day period.
Get over it maelstrom it happened. |
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| Aquatank wrote: |
| Is that also your reply to the accounts by the 42nd, 45th, 522nd, 82nd 89th, 97th and all the other groups of men who liberated the Death camps that they didn't see what the actually saw? |
* Which "death camps?" The original 22 or the six that they still insist gassed people despite there being no evidence other than word of mouth by people who heard it from someone who heard it from someone else?
* People said what they were ordered to say.
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| If you look at the calculations I put above you will see that not only was the holocaust possible it was downright easy to do. And tahts the real horror of it, it was too dang easy. Aztecs move over 20000 human sacrifices in 4 days the holocaust in Germany did atleast 98604 in a four day period. |
* This is why I hope you are unable to reach anything which might be dangerous in case you try to do something unpleasant just to prove it can be done.
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| Get over it maelstrom it happened. |
Yes. I am satisfied I know what really happened. |
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| Surely you know the 20th Century Germans are better killers than a few Aztec preists with stone knives. |
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| Saying the Holocaust didn't happen is akin to saying the Vietnam War didn't happen. |
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I just want to know why questioning history is considered unlawful.
If I question the US "civil" war, I don't get locked up. If an Australian questioned the US "civil" war, they're not extradited here to be procecuted. What is different about WWII? |
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The First Answer to that is Germany doesn't have the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. Many countries don't have freedom of speech.
The second issue is these laws are inherently anti-Nazi laws in Germany. The majority of the people and the Government don't want a repeat of the Third Reich therefore they banned anything that may glorify The Third Reich. The reason for the banning is largely because of the holocaust.
To deny the holocaust is to deny the reason for banning the glorification of the Third Reich.
When WWII ended the defeated's imagery was erased, and the death camps were largely destroyed, this is common as can be evidenced by the destruction of Berlin Wall. What they couldn't erase was the enormity of the crime of genocide that was committed, like most revolutions they use it as a moral lesson, and outlawed a repeat. The swastika has been outlawed and Germans take serious offense of displays of Hitler in their country. (Even earlier laws forbid naming children Judas)
The problem is largely various levels neo-Nazis beliefs and their adherents who buck the system. These groups still are rabble rousers in Germany.
The equivelent of such laws would be banning glorification of Satan in Vatican City. Few would dispute anti-freespeech in that case.
Its not even about a interpertation of history in Germany though, for to do so would be almost to deny the sun and moon exists because the holocaust did happen its absolute fact. What it is about is sqaushing an evil, to crush an idea (the glory of Nazism) as much as possible. To say the holocaust didn't happen is lying to coverup a national shame that the Germans are struggling to overcome and make amends for.
We in the USA don't have nearly the equivelent of the Nazis even the CSA doesn't come close to hatred Germans have for their Nazi past. |
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Ok, so why do Germany's laws apply to an Australian?
Do Armenians get extradited to Turkey when they call the Armenian holocaust a holocaust? What about Turks who deny that holocaust? Do they get extradited to Armenia?
Something about this, intuitively smells rotton. |
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| Nesaie wrote: |
| Ok, so why do Germany's laws apply to an Australian? |
I imagine they don't, unless said Australian is in Germany.
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| Do Armenians get extradited to Turkey when they call the Armenian holocaust a holocaust? What about Turks who deny that holocaust? Do they get extradited to Armenia? |
Don't think so, could be wrong though.
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Unless, of course, this guy committed some crime in Germany, and they managed to bring him back to be tried there, and he's using the fact that he's a Jew going back to Evil Nazi Land as a scapegoat to win the pity card. |
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