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| based on what you know about the republican vice presidential nominee sarah palin, do you think she is qualified to serve as PRESIDENT if it becomes necessary or not? |
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Poor little "sensitive" Sarah Palin, (according to the McCain Campaign machine) can't be interviewed by the press unless they "respect" her.
Say what?? Is it because of her "sex" that she has to be treated with "kid-gloves?" The poor thing....can't go out there and fight on equal-footing with the men....warts and all.
http://coloradoindependent.com/9257/free-sarah-palin-from-the-media-blackhole
Dang shame that. The little wilted flower just cannot compete with the "big-boys." |
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| The rest of the interview goes much the same way, with Palin answering questions Couric didn’t ask, and Couric asking the question again to try and get an answer. |
I seen countless interviews where Democrats were given loaded questions too and they never give a straight answer. Maybe she is smarter than you think not allowing herserlf to get trapped in reporters adgendas.
I said it many times before the VP choices are going to make or break this election. As I see it, just about everything is riding on the VP debates. If Paalin fades on that debate this thursday, even I will admit McCain will probably not win. I'm not saying I would be 100% comfortable if McCain and Palin win, but I know I would be extremely uncomfortable with Obama, Biden, and Polosi the top 3 in our country, along with a Democratic Congress. Be careful what you wish for if they win the election. |
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lemme see, one taught costitutional law for 12 years, the other was a mayor of a seven or six thou populated town, and a governor of a stae with less of a population than most counties in the lower 48..
and doesn't know what a vice president does, or if she got money for a bridge.
but she sure knows how to make up names for kids!
and crap out a half dozen..
yep, that should qualify her..
come to think of it, considering the drunkard and mindless idiot we've had for eight, she may very well qualify to be QUEEN!
she's going to be a REAL asset.
oh boy.
i've seen smarter trailer trash..
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lets see...one remember's all that was read in a paper or magazine completly and recites to siblings until their nuts; the other stamers when explaining a political veiw
one is a very quick study; the other studies quickly
One shot to political fame through multiple executive power structures; the other through the a senate
One has a stable family history; the other did not
One is specific w/ charisma and words; the other switches issues to match the "grip" de jour
one's a friggin genious; the other is a rockstar.
...good enough.
one's a freakin' genious; the other is a rock star |
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| Poor Sarah Palin has to stop campaigning Tuesday to "cram" for Friday debates. Like some college students trying to pass their General Ed classes.... |
The debate is Thursday not Friday! This shows your level of actual finding out the facts!  Stop being so busy badmouthing and act like you know something real.  |
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You wait, she'll bump it to Friday...(still cramming.) 
Karl Rove school of "hard-knocks." |
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| (Sniff) Sarah didn't say "God Bless America...." and Joe did.... |
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You only see and hear what you want to hear. Biden lied about McCains voting record, and Biden misquoted the Constitution when he lectured about which aritical defines the Exectutive Dept. His quote of the duties of VP as President of the Senate is defined in the first Artical defining the Congress. Biden didn;t even know the right section to refer to about the VP.
Bottom line is Governor Palin did very well in the debate, as did Biden. That really makes her the biggest winner given the talk of the last 2 weeks about her Katie Curic interfview. She harly came off as anyone unqualified by a longshot. I expect the polls to reflect this over the next few days. |
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10:35: Palin said we’re now at pre-surge troop levels in Iraq. This is wrong. There were 130,000 troops in Iraq before the surge. Today, there are 147,000 troops in Iraq. (UPDATE: McCain made this same error in June.)
10:33: Despite repeatedly criticizing Biden for looking backward tonight, Palin closed the night with a quote from President Reagan.
10:32: Palin bragged that as governor, she has appointed people “regardless of political affiliation.” However, high school affiliation has been very important. As the New York Times noted, “The Wasilla High School yearbook archive now doubles as a veritable directory of state government.” Palin has appointed her former junior high band-mate, among others.
10:31: Palin said McCain will boost jobs with policies that “build up infrastructure and reign in government spending.” In fact, to build infrastructure you need to spend money. McCain has proposed an across-the-board spending freeze that would result in real cuts in infrastructure construction and maintenance.
10:30: Palin just praised Alaska politicians ability to “work together,” yet Palin refuses to cooperate with the Alaska legislature’s investigation into her alleged ethics violation known as “Troopergate.”
10:28: Palin said that she can’t think of anything on which she changed her position. And if you believe that, there’s a Bridge to Nowhere we’d like to sell you.
10:21: Asked to describe her weaknesses, Palin seems to be answering a completely different question that only she heard. She delivered a rambling answer describing her strengths and what she would bring to the ticket. Ifill asked no follow-up question.
10:20: Joe Biden calls Dick Cheney “one of the most dangerous vice presidents” in history.
10:19: Palin just spoke quite eloquently about her understanding of what it’s like to worry about lacking health insurance. Unfortunately, the Palin/McCain health care plan would do nothing to cover the uninsured. She has previously credited “good u.nion jobs” for giving them health care.
10:19: Palin said the constitution allowed for flexibility in the office of the Vice President. Previously, aides to Palin refused to answer whether she would be part of the executive branch.
10:17: Palin claimed that Alaska’s “energy” supply (by which she means only oil) is helping America on the path to energy independence. This is nonsense.
10:16: Palin said she was grateful the Constitution granted the authority to the Vice President to preside over the Senate “should they choose to exert it.” Of course, presiding over the Senate is not a choice, it’s a mandated duty of the Constitution. And the VP only casts votes in the event of a tie.
10:14: Watch the video of Palin repeatedly referring to Gen. McKiernan as “McClellan”:
10:13: Palin said education “needs to be ramped up in terms of funding.” But last Friday, McCain’s proposed a spending freeze in all discretionary federal spending would would allow inflation to cut funding for Head Start by over $968 million, cut $1.7 billion from community learning centers, and cut $3.7 billion from career and technical education grants. More on McCain’s education record and plans here.
10:13: Palin’s recent confusion over McCain’s position on education spending isn’t the first time a McCain surrogate has gotten confused and called for more funding even while McCain himself wants to reduce expenditures.
10:12: Palin unleashes a flurry of folksiness: “There you go Joe, there you go again…now doggone it.”
10:11: Gwen Ifill, perhaps cowed by pre-emptive criticism of her alleged biases from the right-wing, is being extraordinarily passive throughout this debate. She’s not asking any followup questions, she’s letting the candidates get away with completely avoiding her questions, and most of all she’s scarcely asking questions at all — she’s just proposing topics and then opening the floor to a recitation of talking points.
10:08: The Washington Post’s Fact Checker says that Palin’s claim that Biden backed McCain’s military policies until this presidential race “is flatly false.” “Biden was an outspoken opponent of President Bush’s troop increases in Iraq as soon as Bush announced them after the 2006 elections. As Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, he led the most heated hearings before the troops were actually deployed.”
10:04: Palin is referring to her notes with increasing frequency as the debate focuses on foreign policy.
10:02: Palin keeps saying that someone named “McClellan” (perhaps the Civil War general?) didn’t say this or that. But the question at issue is statements made by General David McKiernan, the commanding officer in Afghanistan.
10:00: Palin said we need the “surge principles” in Iraq to be used in Afghanistan. Biden makes the point that Gen. McKiernan, the commanding general in Afghanistan, said: “The word I don’t use for Afghanistan is ’surge.’”
9:58: Palin accused Biden of “looking backwards” in critiquing the Bush administration. But of course, McCain’s future policies mirror Bush’s. McCain himself declared, “I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I’ve been totally in agreement and support of President Bush.”
9:55: J Street reports, “Not once during this campaign season have we been able to find John McCain committing to supporting, let alone promoting, a two-state solution.”
9:54: Palin said that promoting peace between Israel and Palestine would be “a top of an agenda item” in a McCain administration. But McCain’s neoconservative foreign policy advisers have said McCain intends to put the issue on a back-burner and won’t press for a peace agreement.
9:52: As she talks about foreign policy, Palin has been glancing down at her notes constantly. Sure hope Randy Scheunemann wrote neatly.
9:51: Like McCain, Palin keeps referring to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the “leader of Iran.” However, as Biden noted, the Ayatollah Khameini is the leader of Iran who sets policy.
9:50: Palin keep pronouncing “nuclear” as “nuculur” — perhaps because she doesn’t have her phonetic notes in front of her.
9:49: Palin says Iran “cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons” but is apparently unwilling to make an effort at direct, high-level diplomacy aimed at preventing them from doing so.
9:46: Palin spoke about the importance of the war in Iraq. In March 2007, Palin admitted, “I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq.”
9:45: Palin is making repeated references to “victory” and “winning” in Iraq while also praising General Petraeus even though he’s specifically disavowed those two terms.
9:45: Palin says that Obama voted against funding for the troops, but FactCheck.org says “that’s hardly the whole story.” In April 2007, Democrats added a “non-binding call to withdraw” to a troop funding measure. “McCain (who was absent for the vote) urged the president to veto that funding measure, because of the withdrawal language. President Bush did veto it, and McCain applauded Bush’s veto. Based on those facts, it would be literally true to say that ‘McCain urged a veto of funding for our troops.’”
9:44: Palin just said that the plan that Obama, Maliki, and President Bush currently supports is “a white flag of surrender.”
9:42: Palin spoke out against “early withdrawal” from Iraq, but the Iraqi government itself has already endorsed the withdrawal of American combat forces along the schedule Obama has proposed.
9:40: Answering a question about gay rights, Palin said she was tolerant of adults “choosing relationships for themselves.” But all major mainstream medical and mental health professional organizations have concluded that homosexuality is not a choice.
9:39: Although Alaska does grant spousal benefits to same-sex partners of public employees, Palin backed a state constitutional ban to deny these benefits.
9:38: Palin mentioned “clean, green natural gas.” Natural gas, like all other fossil fuels, comes with a huge health and environmental footprint, from drilling to burning. The natural gas industry is responsible for 18.6% of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States.
9:37: Palin said that global warming is, in part, caused by human activity. But in a recently released interview with Newsmax, Palin said, “I’m not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.” In Dec. 2007, she reportedly said, “I’m not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity.”
9:36: Palin’s answer on global warming tonight was only slightly more coherent than her last shot at it:
9:35: Palin says, “I don’t want to argue about the causes” of global warming. She admits that the Subcabinet on Climate Change she formed is just meant to deal with adaptation – not reducing the cause of global warming: fossil fuel emissions. McCain said at the Clinton Global Initiative on September 25: “We now know that fossil fuel emissions, by retaining heat within the atmosphere, threaten disastrous changes in climate.”
9:34: Palin said that the McCain-Palin ticket supports alternative energy, but she only mentioned nuclear and clean coal. McCain says he is against subsidies for real renewable sources of energy like wind power and solar power.
9:32: Discussing carbon emissions, Palin referred to unnamed “countries” that are polluting “more than the US.” In fact, only one country, China, has a higher level of carbon emissions than the United States and the US has by far the highest per capita carbon emissions of any major country.
9:29: The notion that John McCain’s proposed reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented the current crisis is a myth. Among other things, “Fannie and Freddie did not guarantee and securitize subprime loans.”
9:28: Palin is touting herself as an energy expert, but she recently claimed that Alaska produces “nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.” In reality, “Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent.”
9:26: Palin accused Obama of giving tax breaks to oil companies. In reality, McCain’s tax plan would provide oil companies with $4 billion in tax breaks.
9:26: Palin’s deeply confusing disquisition on taking on oil companies in Alaska was a reference to her implementation of what amounted to an windfall profits tax on oil companies — the kind of tax that Obama has proposed and McCain opposed.
9:25: Despite Palin’s claim, McCain is constantly telling one thing to one group and another thing to another group. Here’s a list of 44 flip flops.
9:24: Palin said McCain’s health care plan would eliminate “artificial boundaries between states” and allow insurance companies to sell policies across state lines. Unfortunately, this would permit insurance companies to ignore in-state consumer protections and would provide Americans with less-comprehensive policies.
9:23: Palin says, “I had to take on those oil companies.” On behalf of Big Oil, Palin has fought the Department of Interior to claim polar bears in prime drilling territory are not under threat from global warming — using junk science bought and paid for by Exxon Mobil.
9:23: Palin touted McCain’s plan to give families a $5,000 tax credit to pay for health care. Since health care typically costs $12,000, Elizabeth Edwards said McCain’s plan “shows that he is completely out of touch with what is happening in the health care system in America today.”
9:21: Palin called McCain’s health credits “a smart thing to do.” In reality, McCain’s health care plan would undermine employer-based coverage and increase out-of-pocket expenses.
9:20: Palin said that she and her husband have been in the middle class their whole lives, but the AP reported yesterday that if you “add up the couple’s 2007 income and the estimated value of their property and investments and they appear to be worth at least $1.2 million.” (UPDATE: Later in the debate, Palin refers to herself as a “Main Streeter.”)
9:19: This discussion of the two presidential campaigns’ tax plans would benefit from reference to the Tax Policy Center’s definitive study of the impact, showing that most people would pay lower taxes under the Obama plan while a wealthy minority would pay dramatically lower taxes under McCain.
9:18: While Palin claimed that McCain supports strong regulation of the tobacco industry, McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin explained recently that McCain no longer supports “raising taxes on cigarettes”
even though such taxes are proven to deter youth smoking.
9:17: Palin’s discussion of her budget policies as mayor of Wasilia conveniently forgot to mention that her tax cuts and spending plans resulted in a massive increase in the town’s debt load. The tax amounted to $3,000 per resident.
9:15: Palin claimed that Barack Obama had voted to increase taxes 94 times. Factcheck.org called this “count is padded.” “A closer look reveals that he’s voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper-income taxpayers but not on middle- or low-income workers,” wrote Factcheck.
9:14: Palin says, “Darn right we we need tax relief.” McCain’s health care plan would increase taxes on middle class Americans.
9:13: Palin rightly slammed the role of predatory lenders in contributing to the root causes of the current financial crisis, but failed to note her running mate’s years of opposition to legislative efforts to curb predatory lending practices.
9:12: Palin accuses Obama of voting along party lines, ignoring the fact that McCain has voted 100 percent of the time with Bush in 2008.
9:11: Palin’s claim that two years ago, McCain was warning about an economic crisis is an exaggeration. In an interview in November 2007, McCain admitted that he was clueless about the economic mess: “So, I’d like to tell you that I did anticipate it, but I have to give you straight talk, I did not.”
9:10: Perhaps in an attempt to make up for the fact that John McCain neglected to wear a flag pin to last Friday’s presidential debate, Sarah Palin is wearing a flag pin about the size of a child’s fist.
9:09: Palin wants John McCain to get credit for having “suspended” his campaign to work on the economic crisis, but as is now well known there was no suspension. Campaign spokespeople continued to attack Obama on cable, ads kept running, and campaign offices stayed open.
9:03: Sarah Palin and Joe Biden enter the stage. Viewers could overhear Palin asking Biden, “Hey, can I call you Joe?”
The ThinkProgress family — TP staff, Wonk Room staff, and Yglesias — will be liveblogging the Biden-Palin debate on this thread. Stay with us as you watch tonight.
In the meantime, while we wait for the debate to get started, here’s a sampling of some pre-debate spin. On MSNBC Hardball, McCain policy adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin claimed that Barack Obama and Joe Biden are advocating for an “artificial arugula-style middle class.” When pressed by host Chris Matthews to explain what he meant, Holtz-Eakin said an “arugula middle class” is “a not very real middle class.” Watch it:
Jed Lewinson notes that Holtz-Eakin also accused Katie Couric and CBS News of editing their interview of Palin to make her look bad.
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So now are you going to be fair and list all of Bidens misquotes ,and lies ?
Didn't think so. We all know why you're afraid of Palin,you can just say it? and not beat around the bush.
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 OK after last night's debate I'm changing my vote from NO to NOT SURE. |
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Exactly, where are the list of biden blunders? People only want to see what they want to see. If all you want to see is Palin mistakes, where is your adgenda Aquarian. I saw many accounts of mistakes that list them for both Palin and Biden, but you list only the Palin mistakes. Paart of you anti-fundementalist religion adgenda?
One thing they agreed on aquarian, I surprized you didn;t comment on was NONE of the Candidates, Obama, Biden, McCain, Palin support gay marriages. |
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| So now are you going to be fair and list all of Bidens misquotes ,and lies ? |
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| Exactly, where are the list of biden blunders? |
Isn't that your job? |
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I'm not the one trying to distort the debate by listing only Palins misquotes,or lies.
Aquarian knows Biden lied a hell of a lot more than Palin did,but you already knew that,and so does Aquarian. It's just a shame you can't for once be fair.
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Palin couldn't memorize her "script"....poor thing. Felt very sorry for her.
She was like the little girl who was forced to play piano at a recital and keeps repeating the same four musical phrases, over and over and over again, until her teacher finally comes up and removes her from the piano bench.
Palin is incapable of answering any question put to her....and occasionally sounds "asberger's" in her constant responses.....saying only what she wants to say.....regardless of subject matter. |
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