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screamzero
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BloodStone, thanks. I get labeled a lot of things around here. I do know that you can see through that crap. Some issues we agree on, some we don't. No biggie.
Screamer, its about time, thanks.
Rob, Ron Paul has endorsed Chuck Baldwin. He is running on the constitutional party platform. Screw Barr, he is a fake libertarian. Check out Baldwin, I'm voting for him. Also check out the repulicrat song.
http://www.baldwin08.com/
Etraveler, yes...this issue has been known about for years, centuries in fact. Its a game that has been played for longer than we've lived.
Here is how the game was just played. I found the links yesterday and can find them again if anyone asks. However, I feel lazy today, its caterday. But, really I'll back the rules of this game with articles if anyone asks.
Once upon a time there was a Savings and Loan scandal, which involved the Clinton administration. Many people lost their shirt over it. Another ponzi scheme. To fix the mess that Clinton and his administration created, they renamed the "oversight" quazi government/corporate fascist organization. Clinton then appointed his people to run this fascist organization to "fix" the problem so that it "could never happen again".
The propaganda machine revs up. The "news" through every propaganda channel raves about his "fix". We're all safe now.
Fast forward to 2003. Bush is running for reelection. There has been "deregulation" in certain markets. There is a problem, caused by the government in the first place. Bush knows this as does everyone in congress and the senate. The Bush administration proposes to rename this "oversight" fascist corp and wants to put his own man in charge. Fannie and Freddie praise this change. Huh, wonder why...
Fannie and Freddie don't like the idea of replacing the board of directors with just one director. But, that can all be worked out later. Meanwhile, they're buying congresscritters to vote against this proposal. In fact, the proposal doesn't do anything different than what had been done by Clinton. Doesn't matter, the propaganda machine will make it look good. Later the propaganda machine can and does, use it as a partisan thing. It ain't partisanship, its We The People vs the government, not dems vs republicans.
Now 2005, McCain co-sponsers a very similar bill to what the Bush administration had recommended two years earlier. Change the name of the fascist "oversight" corporation and replace the board with an omnipotent director. Still doesn't really change any law from before. Meanwhile, the SEC and legislators had already changed the regulatory lending laws. Those lobbyists are good and the congresscritters like to party. Glenlivet anyone?
Fast forward to today. We just had the largest bank failure in the history of the US! Thanks to the "fixes" put in place by the government. Why did the Savings and Loans fail? The same reason WaMu failed.
The bottom line is that government creates problems. Government cannot ever solve problems.
When the corporations rule the government, its fascism. Thats what we have. When governments rule the corporations, its communism/socialism. When there is seperation of government from corporations, its capitalism. Companies are born and die without any government intervention what-so-ever. That is what I want. Screw the feds. Screw the corporations. They are the two causes of this crap.
BTW, when corporations screw up and get a bad rep, they just change the name and know that the American people are too busy watching American idol to pay attention. That is what Diebold did when they couldn't sell their company. The government does the same. That is why they renamed the "school of the americas" after some of us found out how many terrorists they've trained. But, I already know that you support fascism and terrorism.
I have a proposal that would fix the majority of America's problems. GET RID OF LOBBYISTS!!!! |
Next time you accuse, you look. "Screamer, its about time, thanks." don't get it. Apologize; don't thank me after a burnt praise.. |
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Bite me....still doesn't make me a liar as to Bush's desire to address the problem, and ya, I noted that part when I read it. At least your on the ball enough to catch that; however, using that info as a bat instead of a ball belies a recognition of the times on your part....now; which party has promoted such things most often? I am not for certain 'cause I ain't got the numbers in front of me, but my guess is you could even hazard an educated guess and be correct.
Some here have acknowledged that there is a socialist schism in many parts of the system. I have even fessed to the good certain socialist intrigues have rendered - FDR's emergency works are a prime example as of my recent posting, but the lesson is how our society is vulnerable to morphing into that 'diction' and how socialism can very well render power to the government, in our case incrementally, and that by doing so centralizes power to the government. ..a point for vigilance. This is can evolve into an antithesis to the intent of our Founding Father's design of the trium virate structure of divided governaturial powers that is suppose to retain balance, power and prosperity... Bub. I'm open to a deeper delving of this.
You seem to be a bit of a pip on some of these matters and may show me a view that's worthy. I don't mind learning. You gotta clue? How about two clues? Democracy can screw this place up as well....want to go for three clues? |
Never said you were a liar, just alluded to how your little rant about Democrats who shot that bill down were socialist bitches was just idiotic and ignorant.
As for Etraveler... With that little list you posted, should we ignore how McCain's national finance chairman, Wayne Berman, and his congressional liaison, John Green, are lobbyists for Fannie Mae? SURE HIS PLAN WOULD HAVE REFORMED HOUSING!  It would have done the same **it that every other piece of legislature, it looks good on the surface, but when you cut into it, it has more holes than Swiss cheese. |
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Bite me....still doesn't make me a liar as to Bush's desire to address the problem, and ya, I noted that part when I read it. At least your on the ball enough to catch that; however, using that info as a bat instead of a ball belies a recognition of the times on your part....now; which party has promoted such things most often? I am not for certain 'cause I ain't got the numbers in front of me, but my guess is you could even hazard an educated guess and be correct.
Some here have acknowledged that there is a socialist schism in many parts of the system. I have even fessed to the good certain socialist intrigues have rendered - FDR's emergency works are a prime example as of my recent posting, but the lesson is how our society is vulnerable to morphing into that 'diction' and how socialism can very well render power to the government, in our case incrementally, and that by doing so centralizes power to the government. ..a point for vigilance. This is can evolve into an antithesis to the intent of our Founding Father's design of the trium virate structure of divided governaturial powers that is suppose to retain balance, power and prosperity... Bub. I'm open to a deeper delving of this.
You seem to be a bit of a pip on some of these matters and may show me a view that's worthy. I don't mind learning. You gotta clue? How about two clues? Democracy can screw this place up as well....want to go for three clues? |
Never said you were a liar, just alluded to how your little rant about Democrats who shot that bill down were socialist bitches was just idiotic and ignorant.
As for Etraveler... With that little list you posted, should we ignore how McCain's national finance chairman, Wayne Berman, and his congressional liaison, John Green, are lobbyists for Fannie Mae? SURE HIS PLAN WOULD HAVE REFORMED HOUSING! It would have done the same **it that every other piece of legislature, it looks good on the surface, but when you cut into it, it has more holes than Swiss cheese. |
...wasn't talkin to you...I was talkin' to Proud Naei Naei; and the Demoslobs record stand tall as to the injection of socialist principles and programs into our system since FDR right down to Oslama Bama. ...much more than the many Conservative principles alluded to by Right Wing Libertarians and Republicans...but I guess you gotta a snappy come back on that as well....nya. |
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Alright you bolshevik, I thanked you for the article. Read what I last posted.
The game is, always has been.
Then again, its written in the rules, ain't it? After all usery is still only a sin when it comes to Hebrews. Usery against the Goyam is OK. 
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| “Under [Bill] Clinton, the entire federal government put massive pressure on banks to grant more mortgages to the poor and minorities. Clinton’s secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Andrew Cuomo, investigated Fannie Mae for racial discrimination and proposed that 50 percent of Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s portfolio be made up of loans to low- to moderate-income borrowers by the year 2001. Instead of looking at ‘outdated criteria,’ such as the mortgage applicant’s credit history and ability to make a down payment, banks were encouraged to consider nontraditional measures of credit-worthiness, such as having a good jump shot or having a missing child named ‘Caylee.’ Threatening lawsuits, Clinton’s Federal Reserve demanded that banks treat welfare payments and unemployment benefits as valid income sources to qualify for a mortgage. That isn’t a joke—it’s a fact. ... In 1999, liberals were bragging about extending affirmative action to the financial sector. Los Angeles Times reporter Ron Brownstein hailed the Clinton administration’s affirmative action lending policies as one of the ‘hidden success stories’ of the Clinton administration, saying that ‘black and Latino homeownership has surged to the highest level ever recorded.’ Meanwhile, economists were screaming from the rooftops that the Democrats were forcing mortgage lenders to issue loans that would fail the moment the housing market slowed and deadbeat borrowers couldn’t get out of their loans by selling their houses. A decade later, the housing bubble burst and, as predicted, food-stamp-backed mortgages collapsed. Democrats set an affirmative action time-bomb and now it’s gone off.” —Ann Coulter |
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“Much of that mess [in the financial markets] is due to the very people we are now turning to for solutions—members of Congress. Past Congresses created the hybrid financial institutions known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, private institutions with government backing and political influence. About half of the mortgages in this country are backed by these two institutions. Such institutions—exempt from laws that apply to other financial institutions and backed by the implicit promise of government support with the taxpayers’ money—are an open invitation to risky behavior. When these risks blew up in their faces, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taken over by the government, costing the taxpayers billions of dollars. For years the Wall Street Journal has been warning that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking reckless chances but liberal Democrats especially have pooh-poohed the dangers. Back in 2002, the Wall Street Journal said: ‘The time for the political system to focus on Fannie and Fred isn’t when we have a housing crisis; by then it will be too late.’ The hybrid public-and-private nature of these financial giants amounts to ‘privatizing profit and socializing risk,’ since taxpayers get stuck with the tab when high-risk finances don’t work out... Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been generous in their contributions to politicians’ political campaigns, so it is perhaps not surprising that politicians have been generous to them. This is certainly part of ‘the mess in Washington’ that Barack Obama talks about. But don’t expect him to clean it up. Franklin Raines, who made mega-millions for himself while mismanaging Fannie Mae into a financial disaster, is one of Obama’s advisers.” —Thomas Sowell
Just for you Nesaie, these are both from Free Republic... |
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I have been posting articles predicting this impending colapse for years now. It is no accident, this has been planned for a long long time. Trying to pin the responsibility for it on one administration or political faction is a fools game. Since all facets of our government and political system have been infiltrated by Globalist New World Order traitor's.
Demopublicans and Republocrats take thier marching orders from thier elite partners in crime. If they didn't they would suffer being marginalized as they have done to Ron Paul and others.
I personally do not believe we have one political leader that could turn this situation around by themselves. If WE THE PEOPLE do not take a stand we will most certainly loose our heritage and Republic.
So if your liberal, conservitive, socialist, green, gay, hawkish, anti-war or wicken and you consider yourself an American.
Then You Had Better Wake The Hell Up And Get Envolved 
Good Luck everyone I'll be travelling for awhile, see you in a few weeks. |
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I have been posting articles predicting this impending colapse for years now. It is no accident, this has been planned for a long long time. Trying to pin the responsibility for it on one administration or political faction is a fools game. Since all facets of our government and political system have been infiltrated by Globalist New World Order traitor's.
Demopublicans and Republocrats take thier marching orders from thier elite partners in crime. If they didn't they would suffer being marginalized as they have done to Ron Paul and others.
I personally do not believe we have one political leader that could turn this situation around by themselves. If WE THE PEOPLE do not take a stand we will most certainly loose our heritage and Republic.
So if your liberal, conservitive, socialist, green, gay, hawkish, anti-war or wicken and you consider yourself an American.
Then You Had Better Wake The Hell Up And Get Envolved
Good Luck everyone I'll be travelling for awhile, see you in a few weeks. |
Too bad we couldn't have had more honest men like you involved that might have made a difference. Travel well. |
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Have any of you participated in politics.
Politics is cutthroat, not collective. There is no higher elite. |
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Even though CG would typically agree with Nesaie... I think he of all people would agree with me when I say, this attack on Bush by the very people who supported other politicians who have been guilty of countless crimes... it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The politicians these attackers do support are the very same party (I like your terms, Demopublicans, Republocrats) that voted for the war that is conveniently now washing their hands, hoping today's youth doesn't remember 6 years ago, and claiming moral highground. Bush could not possibly have gone to war without Congressional support. The Demowhatevers bailed on their decision, feigned ignorance, tried to use gullibility as a defense, demanded a mulligan, and did a 180 degree turn against a war they themselves put in motion, the INSTANT things didn't go perfectly and it got tough.
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Even though CG would typically agree with Nesaie... I think he of all people would agree with me when I say, this attack on Bush by the very people who supported other politicians who have been guilty of countless crimes... it's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. The politicians these attackers do support are the very same party (I like your terms, Demopublicans, Republocrats) that voted for the war that is conveniently now washing their hands, hoping today's youth doesn't remember 6 years ago, and claiming moral highground. Bush could not possibly have gone to war without Congressional support. The Demowhatevers bailed on their decision, feigned ignorance, tried to use gullibility as a defense, demanded a mulligan, and did a 180 degree turn against a war they themselves put in motion, the INSTANT things didn't go perfectly and it got tough.
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Well etraveler, I know I can always count on you for partisanship and the blame game.
Your first post is from an editorial by Anne Coulter, whom I don't care for. In fact, I don't like any corporate media whore, no matter what side they claim. Anyway, here is that link:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28714
The next one is from a guy named Sowell who is an economist.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=307059043232094
Shall we play partisanship?  Here is who funded McCain:
Merrill Lynch $298,413
Citigroup Inc $269,251
Morgan Stanley $233,272
Goldman Sachs $208,395
JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975
AT&T Inc $174,487
Blank Rome LLP $150,426
Credit Suisse Group $150,025
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,787
UBS AG $140,165
PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120
US Government $137,617
Bank of America $129,475
Wachovia Corp $122,846
Lehman Brothers $117,500
FedEx Corp $113,453
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250
US Army $103,613
Bear Stearns $99,300
Pinnacle West Capital $97,700
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?id=N00006424&cycle=2008
How many of those companies had to be bailed out?
Oh hell, I'm not about partisanship crap anyway. Let's compare it to Obama.
Goldman Sachs $691,930
University of California $611,207
Citigroup Inc $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919
Harvard University $435,769
Google Inc $420,174
UBS AG $404,750
National Amusements Inc $389,140
Microsoft Corp $377,235
Lehman Brothers $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP $350,302
Moveon.org $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al $340,264
Time Warner $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp $335,398
Morgan Stanley $318,070
Latham & Watkins $297,400
Jones Day $289,476
University of Chicago $278,885
Stanford University $276,038
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638 |
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Nice lists, Nesaie. Shows which contributors are non-partisan, and I'll turn you question around on you: Which of those contributors DID need bail out?
I'll simplify the task a bit: eliminate B of A, JP Morgan Chase & Co., Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, AT & T (there ain't no justice), the US Government, Morgan Stanley, UBS AG...aw hell, just KILL the list outright. Not even Lehman makes the cut as only one part's in trouble. This may change as the market continues to decay, with the flames of failure being vigorously fanned by national media and End Of The World websites galore. For the moment, though, it makes your post rather pointless; meaningless monologue, nothing more.
I've been meaning to ask you about this Soma thing: Which are you pushing? Is it the drug, the lingerie, the religion, or the Society of Mutual Autopsy?
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How many needed a bailout?
NONE.
Or, at least in a truly capitalistic system there would be no bailout. Under true free market rule companies are born. When they make poor decisions, they go out of business. But, we don't live in a free market country, no matter how much some may "catapult the propaganda". We live in a fascist country where the lobbyists draw up laws that benefit their companies.
As far as the Soma tag, it is from Huxley. Take a look around and see how many people you know are on "happy pills". Prescription medication has sky rocketed in the last few years. Besides, I always related to the "savage" in the book. I read that Huxley saw him as the antagonist of the story.  |
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