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tarsustom
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| Lobbying is actually a pretty important part of the political process but just like anything, once it's corrupted and taken to the extreme, it becomes far more damaging than good. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lobbying is actually a pretty important part of the political process but just like anything, once it's corrupted and taken to the extreme, it becomes far more damaging than good. |
Important to who? Lobbyist's influence politicians to vote for or against legislature, regardless of what their constituents want, lobbyist's exist for the sole purpose of undermining the voice and will of the people. Lobbyist's only have the best interest of those who pay them to lobby at heart, and use money to do so. Lobbying doesn't get corrupt, it is corrupt in principal, and is incompatible with what our government is SUPPOSED to be... The principal of lobbying makes this a government of, for, and by the special interests. Even if what the lobbying group wants is ultimately good for the American people, if the majority of American's are against it, then it has no business being passed. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| It would solve a lot, but it won't happen. |
The last thing out of Pandora's box was hope.
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I believe lobbying was a way around politicians getting blatant kickbacks for supporting certain things. I was watching a show the other night about the NYC subway, and how the mayor of the city a hundred years ago killed a project to create the subway because he was getting huge kickbacks from trollie operations. |
That just sounds like another form of lobbying. This new form certainly hasn't resolved any problem.
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The cat's out of the bag, too many people make too much money as a result of it, unless we get rid of the entire congress at once. |
I'm all for voting the corruption out. I believe that we could actually do that if a couple of other things changed first. We need to make sure our votes are all counted. We need to make sure the electorial college follows the will of the people. We need to get the majority of Americans to actually vote. We need to get out of the mindset that its the "lesser of two evils". There really could be a few, "Mr. Smiths". I can name two so far. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| tarsustom wrote: |
| Lobbying is actually a pretty important part of the political process but just like anything, once it's corrupted and taken to the extreme, it becomes far more damaging than good. |
Important to who? Lobbyist's influence politicians to vote for or against legislature, regardless of what their constituents want, lobbyist's exist for the sole purpose of undermining the voice and will of the people. Lobbyist's only have the best interest of those who pay them to lobby at heart, and use money to do so. Lobbying doesn't get corrupt, it is corrupt in principal, and is incompatible with what our government is SUPPOSED to be... The principal of lobbying makes this a government of, for, and by the special interests. Even if what the lobbying group wants is ultimately good for the American people, if the majority of American's are against it, then it has no business being passed. |
You say lobbyists only pursue the interests of who pays them.. that would be the "corrupted" or "taken to the extreme" part of lobbying that "does more damage than good." Lobbyists are supposed to champion the cause of those who otherwise can't get the attention of their politicians. Without lobbying, the only way the constituents can get an audience with their politicians is phone, mail, and email. Not very effective. Of course, the constituents can let their voice be heard by how they vote, but what are they supposed to do for the 2 to 4 years between elections?
As I tried to argue, the intent and the spirit that made lobbying a part of politics was correct; but as usual we screwed it all up and now it's a horrible problem. Funny how money and power (which equates to more money) seems to be the basis for all these problems we have in politics. |
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| What Tom is saying is not so far-fetched. He is arguing the PLURALIST theory which states that groups come together, organize, and petition government for certain demands. Groups must expect Policy to be Compromise though. |
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OMG! It really is the end of the world. Aquarian is agreeing with Tom. 
I have no problem with individuals writing their "representatives" or even encouraging others to write on specific issues and bills.
That is not the way it works, not even with the u.ions. Remember, they used to be very mob controlled. Today these people are actually creating the agenda and writing the laws for the legislators. |
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