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hansdew
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and if he didn't lie?
Good luck Greeny. Good luck convincing anyone that does not already have a preconceived notion.
I'm awfully glad that youare concerned enough for all of us that Obama is a Muslim masquerading as a Christian.  |
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greeney2
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You are stuck on something that isn;t true Handsdew.
As far as preconcieved notions, what do you call all the liberials so obsessed with wanting a Democrat back in, they lie about McCain as bad as they lie about Bush. Obama is only the cabosse riding on the Bush bashing squad, and thats all he has done duing the primaries. Big general statements about Bush, his lies, and 8 more years of the same thing.
Lets hear something concrete out of Obama, so far he has showed nothing, and and swept a few issues under the carpet. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| I think you are full of crap. If he lied about it, he is hiding something, and the voters have a right to know what he is hiding. |
its not a theocracy, goddamn it doesnt matter his religon. |
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I find it funny that some conservatives still swear by this "fact" even though it's been disproved by many reliable sources.
Hell, even if he were a Muslim, it wouldn't change my vote.
Also, word play, its tricky. When Obama says verbatm, "my muslim faith" its just a part of speech. When he used that phrase he was responding to the fact that McCain has not said anything about "my (perceived) Muslim faith." He didn't actually say he was a Muslim.
A simple lesson in grammar can tell you that the use of the phrase in the specific context leads to the conclusion that he is just talking about the subject at hand.
Take this analogy for example. I have no karate skills. So if a person says, "His awesome karate skills." I could respond similarly by saying, "My awesome karate skills, etc." When I say that, I'm not actually saying I have karate skills, in fact its more over a tongue in cheek way of describing my LACK OF karate skills.
Every time someone pushes this lie, people like me just have to sit back and laugh at the **it you guys try and make up to undermine respectable honest individuals. |
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| Your Karate Story makes no sence! |
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I'm hoping he IS lying about his religion.
I'm hoping that he's Agnostic and just saying he believes in god, since you HAVE to to get elected by all these backwards ass rednecks anyway. |
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It'd be pretty hard to hide being a muslim wouldn't it? all that praying every day and stuff.
Even if he had a muslim upbringing, so what? You don't believe in a religion because your parents do, you have to believe it for yourself. |
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This subject is a little like being against illegal aliens, because the minute you raise isues about it taxes, and the drain on our local taxed budgets, its spun into racism.
This is not about if Obama was or wasn't raised a Muslim, its about the lying and denying it, when his brother tells a differnet story. Its also the lying that given that background, in addition to being associated 20 years with a minister having ties to Louis Farracan, raises monumental questions. Obama's wife obviously has in the past made very controversial statements in line with the views of that reverend, so the question is definatly a big one. Views like the government put AIDS into black neighborhoods, among many other views raises a big question to me where the heads of Mr. and Mrs. Obama are at.
People branding the fundementalist Christian and labeling Palin to that like they did GWB, don;t get critisized at all. However the mear mention of the same level questions twards Obama gets branded immediatly. |
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hansdew
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Here's the difference:
No one is denying that Palin is a Christian fundamentalist.
Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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There is nothing to hide being a fundementalist Christian!
There is everything to hide being tied to religions with militant black views against the country!
Correct me if I;m wrong! |
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| greeney2 wrote: |
There is nothing to hide being a fundementalist Christian!
There is everything to hide being tied to religions with militant black views against the country!
Correct me if I;m wrong! |
Yeah, and its not like any Christians have been responsible for terrorism here in the states, *cough* McVeigh *cough*
Last I knew, he and his buddy had ties to Aryan Nation groups in the US, which tend to involve a religious doctrine of some kind, a "pure white" Christianity, as if Jesus wasn't middle eastern to begin with lol...
Also, I forget that bombing abortion clinics isn't officially terrorism, give me a freaking break. |
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Your logic is as stupid as the Karate story. There are millions of fundementalists in practicing their religions. Non of which has anything to do with seversive acts, hate, or terrorism against the government.
If you can;t see the difference between a fundmentialist Christian who attends church and believes the bible, and the Aryan Nation, The KKK, or other terrorists, you arn;t too smart.
Like I said one has nothing to hide and the other does. |
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| greeney2 wrote: |
| If you can;t see the difference between a fundmentialist Christian who attends church and believes the bible, and the Aryan Nation, The KKK, or other terrorists, you arn;t too smart. |
If you can't see the difference between a fundamentalist Muslim who attends Mosque and believes in the Koran, and extremist militant Muslims, Hezbollah and other terrorists, you're also not too smart.
Come now. You also have conveniently forgotten about the Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, and the Vatican doing as little as possible during the Holocaust.
EVERY religion has violent extremists. You can't simply single out Islam and every believer in that religion as violent, women hating terrorists. The other two faiths of "the book" also have very abrasive viewpoints on women.
I myself am more worried about the economic state of the country than I am any terrorist attack or foreign conflict, I think the rest of the nation feels the same as of late.
So please, continue to respond with terrible spelling and blind hatred for things you don't understand. Keep yelling long enough you'll eventually lose your voice. Probably a good thing, then you might be forced to listen for once. |
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| I get a lot of comments about my spelling which I've admitted to, but refuse to get scared out of my opinion for. You may spin what I say into whatever you like that isn;t true, my usual clue to this tactic is attacking my spelling, and spinning the point into something untrue. Nice try! |
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hansdew
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There is nothing to hide being a fundementalist Christian!
There is everything to hide being tied to religions with militant black views against the country!
Correct me if I;m wrong! |
You are one dense mofo.
You remarked that:
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| People branding the fundementalist Christian and labeling Palin to that like they did GWB, don;t get critisized at all. However the mear mention of the same level questions twards Obama gets branded immediatly. |
Why aren't people criticized for branding Palin a Xian fundie?
Because it is true. No one denies it.
Why are people criticized for branding Obama a Muslim?
Because it is not true. He has stated as much. Furthermore, you criticize him for the Xian minister whose church he belonged to.
Newsflash: Muslims don't follow Xian ministers or belong to Xian churches.
I stated it clearly before and am (not) surprised that you are still regurgitating this drivel.
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| The point is you are recycling this dishonest, divisive propaganda purely to detract from his popularity. |
Shame on you. |
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