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Nesaie
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 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: 'Knights Templar' file suit against pope |
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-08-05-knights-templar_N.htm
'Knights Templar' file suit against pope
By Francis X. Rocca, Religion News Service
VATICAN CITY — A Spanish group claiming to be the heirs of the Knights Templar have filed a law suit against Pope Benedict XVI, seeking the "rehabilitation" of the once-powerful Catholic religious order that was disbanded 700 years ago.
The Association of the Sovereign Order of the Temple of Christ also demands recognition — though not restitution — of $156 billon in assets that it claims the original Templars lost upon their dissolution.
The Knights Templar, officially known as the Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon, were founded in the early 12th century to protect Christian pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land. But their growing military and economic power inspired envy, suspicion and accusations of heresy. Pope Clement V, under pressure from King Philip IV of France, disbanded the order in 1312.
The Templars' glorious and tragic history has figured prominently in legend and popular culture, including Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code.
Last year, the Vatican published a document only recently discovered in its archives showing that Clement had actually absolved the order of heresy before dissolving it for political reasons.
According to statements appearing on the plaintiffs' website, the current law suit was originally submitted to a Madrid court last December, and dismissed two months later. The group says it has appealed the dismissal, and expects a decision in October.
A report by the EFE news agency said the first judge dismissed the case on the grounds that the court lacked jurisdiction, since events so far in the past are "properly the subject of historians." |
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| Well, if "The Church" can believe in UFOs.....it can pay back the Templars, the Cathars of Languadoc and the Witches.... |
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It just seems like more, "a little too little, a little too late".
My god, the church didn't forgive Galileo until the late 1980's early 1990's, for being right. I always wondered about things like that. Is there an elevator that runs between hell and heaven? Like, when the church was mad at him, he was burning in hell. Then, they forgave him and admitted he was right, does he ride an elevator to now spend eternity in heaven? |
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I'm not so sure you want to be bringing back the Templars. They were the ones who cooked up the crusades, a plan to ransack and pillage muslims back into the stone age and out of Jerusalem. They were on a treasure hunt, believing that Jerusalem held ancient treasures that as yet had not been plundered by others. Some theorize they were after the "holy grail" (complete fiction) or the Arc of the Covenant. Well, I guess if you want to start that whole thing up again the Templars would be the ones to call.
The Pope had reason to believe the Templars' claims of treasure in Jerusalem since he knew that's how the Colosseum got built, and the Templars were composed of Jews. The Templars probably knew there wasn't any treasure, though. They just wanted Jerusalem back for themselves, uh, the Christians.
The Templars spent 9 years digging up Jerusalem looking for treasure and I think they found pretty much nothing but they did suddenly stop and rush back to the Vatican. My theory is, they got sick and tired of digging, wanted to go home (France), and knew they had to get the Pope off their back. He was still expecting some treasure, as payment for supporting the crusades, that was not forthcoming. And you know those Italians when you don't make the payments. So, this is my theory here, they cooked up a plan. They were good at that. They would "discover" a treasure map and give that to the Pope. Let him go digging around for the loot. Of course the treasure map was fake, something like the Copper Scroll. Maybe it WAS the Copper Scroll.
Anyway, eventually the Vatican realized they had been taken and wanted to get even with those Templars. They did. Took 'em a while to cook up their own plan though.
The Templars did do some good things though. They were early users of cryptography and they invented the travelers check. They built a lot of churches too and evolved into the trade u_nion known as the Masons, later Freemasons. Templars, as an order, have re-constituted in Europe and especially the UK.
Some very interesting books on the Templars. Well worth reading. |
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| There is so much mystery wrapped around the Templars that I wonder how much of it is true. I do need to read more about them though. |
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They were originally founded by feudal-ists who were too far down the food chain to reap any benefit from their titles and were more likely to get their heads chopped off than become king. So they formed an organization where you had to forfeit your wealth (primarily land holdings) to the order. You had to buy in. That made the order wealthy when you added it all up. You also had to prove you were skilled in battle. The order pre-existed the charter given them by the Pope. But that charter made them untouchable by European feudal lords and you can imagine the effect that had. The Templars were big time lenders of money at interest to the royal houses of Europe which put them in debt up to their eyeballs (sound familiar?), something illegal for Christians to do at the time, by the way.
In the end it was all about the money. Still is apparently.
Read the Hiram Key, excellent book. Especially interesting is their story of how the Shroud of Turin was created. You won't see that on TV. I was surprised it didn't make its way into Dan Brown's book. I guess that would have been over the top. |
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