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White House implores Assange to desist, but why should he
July 30, 2010
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Wikileaks: White House implores Assange to desist, but why should he?

The White House has implored WikiLeaks to stop posting secret Afghanistan war documents.

President Obama's spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said the war logs jeopardised national security and put the lives of Afghan informants and US soldiers at risk.

"I think it's important that no more damage be done to our national security," Gibbs told NBC's Today show today.

The WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange said yesterday that the website had contacted the White House — with the New York Times acting as intermediary — to offer US government officials the chance to go through the documents to make sure no innocent people were identified. But the White House did not respond to the approach, he said.

Assange dismissed allegations that innocent people or informants had been put in danger by the publication of the documents.

US defence secretary Robert Gates and Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, called the release of the documents deeply damaging and potentially life-threatening for Afghan informants.

"Mr Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing, but the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family," Mullen said.

But Assange also has supporters in the US. Peter Scheer, executive director of the First Amendment Coalition, argues that Wikileaks has become a journalistic necessity.

It is the result, be believes, of the US supreme court's failure to support journalists in their attempts to protect their confidential sources. He writes: "Wikileaks, in short, is a response to journalists' loss of control over their information."

Though Gates has told reporters that the documents offer little insight into current policies and events, Scheer says the stories extracted from the raw data by The Guardian, the New York Times and Der Spiegel "shed new light on the role of Pakistani intelligence, the extent of civilian casualties, Taliban military capabilities and other matters."

July 30, 2010
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I guess all you have to do is fly a plane into the Pentegon and you are considered a journalist investigating as you crash into the building.

Don't be absurd, he possesed and passed off stolen classified documents. Calling yourself a journalist, doesn;t obsolve you from spying or espionage. If Austrailian troops were wiped out as a result, what would you be saying them?

July 31, 2010
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Rath would be crying about the hundreds of thousands of Aussies that died there, of course. Since I just opened a fresh can of worms, here's the lid (below).

ISAF Afghanistan Troop Distribution, as of 6/21/2010:

United States:.. 78,430
United Kingdom: 9,500
Germany:......... 4,350
France:........... 3,750
Italy:.............. 3,300
Canada:.......... 2,830
Poland:........... 2,500
Turkey:........... 1,710
Netherlands:.... 1,705
Australia:.........1,550

There's about 35 more countries, too, with troop numbers ranging from 1,415 (Spain) to 3 (Austria). Oh, and the Australian troop death toll was 17, as of July 11. Sources: Wikipedia; BBC.com; China.org.cn; CNN.com; sbs.com.au; heraldsun.com.au

This post should not be misconstrued as appearing to make light of any deaths of brave men & women in the world's various armed forces. Unlike Julian Assange or Peter Scheer, I have the deepest respect for my brothers-in-arms.

July 31, 2010
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The Taliban has already announced that they are combing through all the documents, and looking for names. They will punish, torture, and kill the people and the families of the people who helped the allies in any way.

But you're right Rath. It's worth it, in the name of making everything public. So what.

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July 31, 2010
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July has the distinction of the being the deadliest month for Americans on record, for the Afghan war. The stakes have never been higher. The Taliban is being pressured and we have more and more troops on the ground. That alone will unfortunately increase our death toll but the fact that each month is getting worse (last month--June--was the record breaker before this month) means that everything counts. And amidst all that is happening, and all that is at stake, this clown from Wikileaks goes and throws a wrench in the works, gets a bunch of Afghan informants killed, and makes the war effort even harder.

Words can't describe what a *JERK* this guy is and the damage he has done. And it doesn't surprise me in the least that a few select members here are completely in support of him. Shame on you!

This fella oughta be imprisoned, his website taken out of service permanently, and *all* his records seized and gone over with a fine-toothed comb by a multinational committee.

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July 31, 2010
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If he had been doing this during WWI or WWII, he would have been executed as a spy. The rules of war haven't changed. It's just that now we have a bunch of idiots that can no longer see the facts in front of them.

July 31, 2010
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"Halfabo" wrote: If he had been doing this during WWI or WWII, he would have been executed as a spy. The rules of war haven't changed. It's just that now we have a bunch of idiots that can no longer see the facts in front of them.

You mean like how the USA just Executed the Russian spys ......

OH WAIT ....... It didn't.

Julian Assange is an Australian ....... The USA cant touch him unless he enters the USA, or a nation who they have a treaty with.

But, the USA & Australia have a extradition treaty & Australia did not hand him over.

July 31, 2010
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Yet, the investigation is not over.

July 31, 2010
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"greeney2" wrote: Yet, the investigation is not over.

I think it is.

"rath" wrote: Australian Government Silencing Wikileaks

"vulcan6gun" wrote: Rath would be crying about the hundreds of thousands of Aussies that died there, of course. Since I just opened a fresh can of worms, here's the lid (below).

ISAF Afghanistan Troop Distribution, as of 6/21/2010:

United States:.. 78,430
United Kingdom: 9,500
Germany:......... 4,350
France:........... 3,750
Italy:.............. 3,300
Canada:.......... 2,830
Poland:........... 2,500
Turkey:........... 1,710
Netherlands:.... 1,705
Australia:.........1,550

There's about 35 more countries, too, with troop numbers ranging from 1,415 (Spain) to 3 (Austria). Oh, and the Australian troop death toll was 17, as of July 11. Sources: Wikipedia; BBC.com; China.org.cn; CNN.com; sbs.com.au; heraldsun.com.au

So typical.

Australia has been nothing but a good friend in supporting the USA & THE UK in their war on Iraq & Afghanistan, & what thanks do we get.

None.

This week at the U.K Iraqi inquiry .......... Hans Blix, blaims Rod Barton & Australia for misleading the U.K .... the USA ..... & the U.N.

What rubbish.

& now they are goning on about Julian Assange & Wikileaks ....

What else will they come up with next.

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August 1, 2010
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"rath" wrote: [quote="Halfabo"]If he had been doing this during WWI or WWII, he would have been executed as a spy. The rules of war haven't changed. It's just that now we have a bunch of idiots that can no longer see the facts in front of them.

You mean like how the USA just Executed the Russian spys ......

OH WAIT ....... It didn't.

Julian Assange is an Australian ....... The USA cant touch him unless he enters the USA, or a nation who they have a treaty with.

But, the USA & Australia have a extradition treaty & Australia did not hand him over.

Who said anything about the U.S.A. touching him? You don't seem to understand that his actions also damage and endanger Australian soldiers. And yes, Australia used to execute spies too.

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