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Private Bowe Bergdahl
December 18, 2010
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I assume everyone has heard of him, thoughts on the matter?

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 20, 2010
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You must have thoughts on the matter, what are they?

December 22, 2010
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Well, fair enough.

At first when he was talking poorly about the US I figured he was a soldier under duress and didn't want to hand his live over so spouted fascist radical blabber and any US rhetoric to save himself. Then allegedly he is giving them information about things that could lead to the death of coalition soldiers, such as operating proceedures and ambushing techniques. Either way I think ideally he should be brought home if an opportunity allows for it to find out the truth of the matter. What do you think Greeney?

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 22, 2010
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Tairaa

so i have some thoughts on the matter...
I think the Taliban is sending someone a message...I don't know who or why but i do know that they don't need a million dollars... bin ladens family the richest family in the world; they know the us won't release the 21 Taliban and we are especially not going to release Aafia Siddiqui. She was allegedly detained by the CIA and Pakistani intelligence office for 3 years...then never charged with terrorism and set free with a dog collar with her name and address on it, crazy and mad...she was convicted of attempted murder of a us officer.

As for Bowe Bergdahl...Sad sad thing I know they have tortured and broken him and eventually they will kill him but we haven't exactly been nice to the Guantanamo bay detainees..this is after all war and we are not in the middle east passing out flowers. war is horrible shocking and brutal; it breaks minds and makes the sweet boy down the block into a killer. there is no glory. no honor. this is not the movie driven Romanticism version...this is the real thing and the USG is gonna let that boy die and he knows it.

December 22, 2010
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He is a POW, and what else can you say, other than he is the only POW alive. Why? Any others captured have been murdered, with exception of those rescued. If they think he is a bargaining chip, for exchanges it will never happen. It wouldn't happen with a civilian, it will never happen with a uniformed serviceman. I guarentee that this POW is the subject every single day and minute of ongoing intellegence to find him and get him. If we know where he is, we are going to go get him at any cost, but thats the million dollar question, where is he.

There is no comparison whatsoever to the United States treatment of POW's in Afganistan or Iraq to the few they have captured. During the height of these wars, and even in the Bush 1 Kuwait war, these people were treated humainly, fed well, and ultimatly released to return home. Thousands were let go after interviewing them. I find it interesting that people talk about guantanamo, and forget what Al Queda does to people, either executing families who aid coalition forces, beheadings are common done alive, and killing any one captured. You never talk about the Gitmo detainees who have been released. And what about all the trails and executions they all said would happen? Where do agree, something has to be done with those who remain, there is no comparison the what has happened by Alqueda or the Taliban.

December 23, 2010
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. war is horrible shocking and brutal; it breaks minds and makes the sweet boy down the block into a killer. there is no glory. no honor. this is not the movie driven Romanticism version...this is the real thing and the USG is gonna let that boy die and he knows it.

First off: Welcome to the BV

Second you've made some valid points, points that for the most part I tend to agree with, accept for the war analogy. These are not war, or wars, these are Police type actions, akin to Viet Nam. Surely if they were war, Iraq would have waved the whit flag years ago, instead they drift into the abyss.

As for Afghanistan, it's a cluster Phuck of unimaginable proportion, only the private contractors and BIG BUSINESS/POLITICIANS Embrace it, they do so for profit and personal gain, safety is only a carrot.

It truly turns my stomach to see decent people willingly remain IGNORANT of the facts, unwittingly supporting something they will NEVER understand. This allows the brutality to go unchecked, the warriors to die or get severely wounded, the innocent to be slaughtered.

Al_K_DUH's or the Taliban's KILL NUMBERS are dwarfed by those of the coalition, yet those true numbers will NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY---Mostly because of CIA INVOLVEMENT---Working independently of the Pentagon.

Why would the Taliban request 1 million dollars for anything when they have full access to the Drug trade? The twists and turns of constant propaganda always seem to snare enough people so as to continue the event, I find that shameful.

It's gotten to the point of being laughable, only it's not so funny.

Coalition forces have effectively turned Iraq into a wasteland, and now following the footsteps of the Russians into the abyss of Afghanistan.

It's about the Military Industrial Complex, making money, and NOTHING MORE.

Which is why I say : BRING EM ALL HOME

Cole

December 23, 2010
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Nope, I disagree with you on that one Cole.
First of all who is to say which of the two of us understands better? We both have an opinion which we are unable to verify with facts, you seem to think you can, but I have yet to see it.

Second, I disagree that Afghanistan is for nothing. I don't think we'll win, but I think we should try. These people need help, and some of them are willing to risk their lives to give information to us so we can help them. If they didn't want us there, or if they didn't want a democracy then why did Massoud wage war with the Taliban rather than accept their deal, which would have made him the prime minister of all of Afghanistan rather than the roughly 25% under his control?

HE could have had more power, but he chose to fight against the Taliban to remain a democracy. You knew that, right? Most people that have an opinion on Afghanistan don't know the regions history simply for lack of interest. It doesn't matter what happens over there until our boys are there dying. But even as our servicemen are fighting and dying hardly anyone cares to check over the local history, how could that possibly be pertinent? I assume you're not one of those people, right?

Now Iraq, I think that that is a bullshit war, but that's an entirely different topic.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

December 23, 2010
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Well said Tairaa, it boils down to 2 opinions locking horns, and people like Cole are convinced his "research"(one time the liquor store owner who has a cousin down at Ft. Hood) and information that is always right, and if you don't believe him you are a ninny. Why he knows, we didn't land on the moon, who shot JFK, why the WTC fell, and every detail of the Iraq war. Just ask him if you don't believe it. Laugh He even solved the "Who shot JR" conspiracy, but it took him a year to solve it. Laugh

December 23, 2010
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First off: Welcome to the BV

thanks every one seems really nice here. I'm liking it.

Second you've made some valid points, points that for the most part I tend to agree with, accept for the war analogy. These are not war, or wars, these are Police type actions, akin to Viet Nam. Surely if they were war, Iraq would have waved the whit flag years ago, instead they drift into the abyss.

ok I'll just flat out say it. until you've been there, you don't know anything about war.

As for Afghanistan, it's a cluster Phuck of unimaginable proportion, only the private contractors and BIG BUSINESS/POLITICIANS Embrace it, they do so for profit and personal gain, safety is only a carrot.

I spent 18 mo in Afghanistan. There are more security personnel there then soldiers. They are run by corporations and there is nothing wrong with corporations making a profit...the word for the war is "externals". not the corporations fault right?

See the problem is not the CEO or some secret cabal going on. the problem is that corporations are legally required to put profits ahead of all other concerns. i.e. I gave you my money where the heck is my return.

Tairaa

I wish i still shared your sweet ,slightly naive viewpoint of the world, but bless you for caring.

December 23, 2010
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Thanks.

"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."

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