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Leo Phoenix
March 10, 2010
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I don't think this constitutes a revelation about 9/11, but prior to the attack there was a person discussing the impending attack on a newsgroup forum. I don't how many months before 9/11 he began his tirade but I read a good bit of it. He ranted on and on about the US government, FBI, CIA, etc. etc. He initially gave the date of the attack as some date in August but then updated it to 9/11. He sounded like a person attempting to impersonate someone of middle eastern origin. The whole thing was very weird.

Information got out about this NG thread on national news websites on 9/11. I stumbled onto it at ABC's website and quickly went to read the NG. Sure enough it was deadly real. I, among others, reported this to the FBI. The agent I talked to did not seem to grasp the weight of what I was telling her. But 24 hours later every NG reachable from the US had the entire thread removed and the news websites had removed all references to it. Impressive response by the FBI, once they realized it was the real deal.

Where does the "Leo Phoenix" come from? Well, this guy was posting under the handle "xinoehpoel", which is "Leo Phoenix" spelled backwards (and mis-spelled). The NG was alt.prophecies.nostradamus.

Who was Leo Phoenix? What does "Leo Phoenix" mean (lion rising from the ashes of destruction)? Why was this guy revealing the attack? Why haven't you hard about Leo Phoenix? Why does the FBI stonewall anyone asking about Leo Phoenix? Was he one of the terrorists? Was he caught? Why the massive removal of information about him from the internet by legal order? The 9/11 Commission Report makes no mention of Leo Phoenix.

A FOIA document here at BV supports the fact that the attack was originally scheduled earlier than 9/11 and then was re-scheduled for that date. This matches statements made by Leo Phoenix.
See FOIA document: "Bin Laden Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks 12/4/1998 [2 Pages]"

One thing is clear, the US government did know about the attack ahead of time and did not do enough to warn people. Sad but true. I guess you could take the position that the government did not have enough specifics to warn the right people, but that is not my opinion. I chose now to discuss this because sufficient time has elapsed that revealing it now will have no effect on the GWOT (global war on terrorism) or the US government's investigation of 9/11.

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I'm not of the opinion that foreknowledge would have made much difference; people would still choose to believe as they wished and act accordingly; little different from December 7, 1941.

In other words, the warnings would have gone unheeded and the attack would still have occurred.

From my point of view, that's what happened; I'm willing to bet there was a lot of Political Correctness ('you shouldn't profile them', 'that's a racist viewpoint', 'you're discriminating by religion', etc) involved, in addition to "inter-agency rivalry".

The Missing Link: It's not which agency gets to do a job; it's which agency gets stuck with it. Because whichever one has to do the work gets to foot the bill, and "it's not in our budget to do that."

March 11, 2010
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"CodeBlack" wrote: I don't think this constitutes a revelation about 9/11, but prior to the attack there was a person discussing the impending attack on a newsgroup forum. I don't how many months before 9/11 he began his tirade but I read a good bit of it. He ranted on and on about the US government, FBI, CIA, etc. etc. He initially gave the date of the attack as some date in August but then updated it to 9/11. He sounded like a person attempting to impersonate someone of middle eastern origin. The whole thing was very weird.

Information got out about this NG thread on national news websites on 9/11. I stumbled onto it at ABC's website and quickly went to read the NG. Sure enough it was deadly real. I, among others, reported this to the FBI. The agent I talked to did not seem to grasp the weight of what I was telling her. But 24 hours later every NG reachable from the US had the entire thread removed and the news websites had removed all references to it. Impressive response by the FBI, once they realized it was the real deal.

Where does the "Leo Phoenix" come from? Well, this guy was posting under the handle "xinoehpoel", which is "Leo Phoenix" spelled backwards (and mis-spelled). The NG was alt.prophecies.nostradamus.

Who was Leo Phoenix? What does "Leo Phoenix" mean (lion rising from the ashes of destruction)? Why was this guy revealing the attack? Why haven't you hard about Leo Phoenix? Why does the FBI stonewall anyone asking about Leo Phoenix? Was he one of the terrorists? Was he caught? Why the massive removal of information about him from the internet by legal order? The 9/11 Commission Report makes no mention of Leo Phoenix.

A FOIA document here at BV supports the fact that the attack was originally scheduled earlier than 9/11 and then was re-scheduled for that date. This matches statements made by Leo Phoenix.
See FOIA document: "Bin Laden Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks 12/4/1998 [2 Pages]"

One thing is clear, the US government did know about the attack ahead of time and did not do enough to warn people. Sad but true. I guess you could take the position that the government did not have enough specifics to warn the right people, but that is not my opinion. I chose now to discuss this because sufficient time has elapsed that revealing it now will have no effect on the GWOT (global war on terrorism) or the US government's investigation of 9/11.

ROTFLMAO: This is what you were hesitant-afraid to post-talk about. Laugh CB--You fell for the very first, some of the very first seeds of DISINFO planted by the Machine--those most responsible for steering the TRUTH MOVEMENT--A Movement they themselves WITHOUT DOUBT CREATED as a means of controlling any and all 9-11 information.

Had this guy had any sort of track record dating back to OK CITY BOMBING ( as claimed ) another dead giveaway- and/while posting on the net no less--WOULD HAVE WITHOUT DOUBT been on someone's radar. Someone would have called the authorities way before 9-11 ever took place. Why only call AFTER THE FACT!!! Hum~~

If as you say it leaked out Laugh and found it's way to MSM web sites only to be removed as if the FBI did something to cover PRE-KNOWLEDGE: Then there you have it~~~Conspiracy NUTTER THEORY # 1. You say the agent YOU CALLED had no grasp--lol--WONDER WHY Laugh

All of the rant is still up and running on the web: The usual FAKE TRUTH SITES have run it at length, complete with ignorant posters typing away with the usual ohs and ahs. It's embarrassing to those in search of justice for those responsible. Even the Lizard people latched onto it.

Bring Em Home Cole

PS. Fintan Dunne has a new audio on 9-11 but based on the above be careful if you dare tread there. You've been warned! Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

March 12, 2010
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Cole: you've got 2 different pov's going here. 1. That I bought into anything. Read my post a little more carefully. 2. That this guy was mis-information.

If this guy was mis-information then why did the FBI or NSA wipe out his existence? Dis-information doesn't work if no one sees it. The gov did not want this stuff out there because it was an embarrassment. The response by the FBI agent is perfectly understandable when you consider that the FBI gets calls from kooks all the time. They are programmed to be skeptical.

I immediately suspected that this guy was not what he seemed. But, only if we take this guy at face value does the rest of the discussion become possible, and does anything make sense. If he was part of a psyop then it wasn't a very good one. So I concluded that he was one of the bad guys who felt compelled to warn Americans, and wanting to rant against whatever he hated.

This guy's existence and/or his involvement with the terrorists does not preclude any conspiracy, but this topic is not about 9/11 being a conspiracy.

vulcan: I don't think you can compare 9/11 to 12/7/1941. We live in a technological age of communication. If the gov had called the WTC and told them to evacuate, they would have. I think if people had been warned, they would have responded. The gov could also have told the airports and airlines to be especially vigilant (and some warning was given but it was too low key) and they even had descriptions of the hijackers and even knew who some of them were. They had one of them already in custody. This very problem was originally one of the main focuses of the 9/11 Commission. Not enough came of it though.

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March 12, 2010
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Cole: A separate comment about me being afraid to discuss this earlier. Given that this guy was almost assuredly one of the actual terrorists and the government's massive, sweeping action to wipe out all traces of him, I think any person of common sense would be wise to hesitate. That is what I did. I did not want the FBI showing up at my front door to tell me to shut up and I didn't want to effect the government's investigation, assuming there was an honest investigation happening. If there was any government run conspiracy, which you have proposed, then I would have been putting myself in the line of fire. If it was not a government conspiracy then this guy really was a terrorist and I would be putting myself in their line of fire, however unlikely that they would come after little old me. I thought it best to wait.

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March 12, 2010
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If this guy was mis-information then why did the FBI or NSA wipe out his existence?

They didn't--I stated that.

Cole: A separate comment about me being afraid to discuss this earlier. Given that this guy was almost assuredly one of the actual terrorists and the government's massive, sweeping action to wipe out all traces of him, I think any person of common sense would be wise to hesitate.

What part of THEY DIDN'T WIPE OUT ALL TRACES OF HIM/HER/IT Do you not understand. Been discussed at length on ALL of the CIA run/sponsored web sites.

Supposedly they INTERVIEWED HIM and supposedly he has sued THEM as a result, also sued them in regard to other high profile occurrences/events ETC--DIANA, OK CITY BOMBING--

No terrorists were involved in 9-11, at least not the kinds that have been passed off to Joe Six pack.

I'm disappointed, I thought you had a better working knowledge of how the FBI really works as well as the tools they have at the ready.

Thinking that they wiped out some bullshit prediction because they were embarrassed by it helps to sell the incompetence angle. Only incompetence had nothing to do with 9-11. Which story do you care to push. This is beyond ridiculous.

PROOF US GOVERNMENT, US MEDIA AND NEW YORK CITY MAYOR HAD WARNING OF ATTACK!
The White House, New York City Mayor Rudy Guilliani and various Major Media were all QUOTED in a News Article about a SEPTEMBER NEW YORK CITY WORLD TRADE CENTER TERRORISM ATTACK WARNING BEFORE BOMBINGS!
By Staff of 24 7 News Net
The 24 7 News Wire

24 7 News Net Wire
September 17th, 2001

Did the WHITEHOUSE, New York Mayor Rudy Guilliani and the US media have WARNING THAT AN ACT OF TERRORISM IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WOULD OCCUR IN SEPTEMBER BEFORE THE ATTACK?

Did the WHITEHOUSE and Rudy Guilliani laugh at the WARNING?

The European media has started to report what our fans already know.

There was indeed a VERY FAMOUS WARNING ABOUT AN ACT OF TERRORISM IN NEW YORK CITY AND THE WORLD TRADE CENTER FOR SEPTEMBER!

We have reported on the SEPTEMBER NYC TERRORISM WARNING on various sites we run FOR A LONG TIME!

In fact, THE WHITE HOUSE, New York Mayor Rudy Guilliani, and several major media sources were all quoted by a Reporter in an article about the SEPTEMBER TERRORISM WARNING FOR NEW YORK CITY!

THEY CAN'T DENY THEY KNEW! THEY WERE QUOTED IN THE ARTICLE ABOUT A WARNING FOR TERRORISM IN NEW YORK CITY FOR SEPTEMBER!

That reporter who has now been doing interviews for the foreign press is Howard Altman the editor of The Philadelphia City Paper.

In his article the reporter actually made fun of the TERRORISM WARNING!

In fact he stated in his article, "WATCH OUT NEW YORK CITY AND MAYOR GUILLIANI there is A WARNING FOR TERRORISM in your city!"

In fact, THE WHITE HOUSE, MAYOR GUILLIANI AND MEDIA LIKE THE WASHINGTON POST AND HOWARD STERN ALL LAUGHED AT THE WARNING in his article!

The SEPTEMBER WARNING FOR TERRORISM IN THE BIG BUILDING IN NEW YORK CITY is destined to become the most famous WARNING in the history of PROPHECY!

The person that penned it is already a very famous major figure on the Net in the world of prophecy, and he has been for years!

For years some in the media have called him THE NEW NOSTRADAMUS, since his WARNINGS and PROPHECIES are so accurate!

But until now, most of the major US media that did dare to mention him made fun of his WARNINGS!

The person that WARNED of a MAJOR ACT OF TERRORISM FOR SEPTEMBMER - A BIG BANG IN THE BIG BUILDING IN NEW YORK CITY - has for years been one of the most mentioned people in Usenet which is a part of the internet that not everyone uses.

That person BEFORE THIS ATTACK had more Usenet posts about him than such famous people as Prince Charles and even Pope John Paul II.

The WARNING that THE WHITE HOUSE, GUILLIANI, THE WASHINGTON POST and HOWARD STERN all made fun of in the City Paper article is known as the 902 Prophecy.

It has been written about by many sites such as ours and posted about in Usenet by literally thousands of people since it was written on September 2nd 1997!

The 902 Prophecy clearly states that A MAJOR ACT OF TERRORISM WILL STRIKE NEW YORK CITY - IT STATES A BIG BANG WILL HIT THE BIG BUILDING!

The 902 PROPHECY was penned right after Diana's Death. The Washington Post did an article on the author of the 902 Prophecy calling him THE UGLY OF THE INTERNET!

Why?

The author sued the US Government in 1996 and stated THE USA WOULD BE DESTROYED IN 2001 in case 96CV 1499! (THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE HAS BEEN DESTROYED THIS YEAR) This case like the 902 Prophecy is very well written about on web sites and again there are literally thousands of posts about it on line in Usenet!

In case 96CV 1499, which was filed in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania's Federal Court System located in Philadelphia, is a WARNING that Diana would die in France on 8/31!

When Diana died on 8/31/97 the net was fill of talk about how her death was WARNED OF in case 96CV 1499.

http://247newsnet.com/2001/200.....erup.shtml

This is just one of a laundry list of tools designed to fracture the Truth Movement with BULLSHIT. It's comical in a way. How many were effectively stirred into a frenzy of fear over this sort of crap?

Was your heart pounding out of your chest when you made that call?

If you care to read real researched and pounded out 9-11 information go here:

http://www.breakfornews.com/

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March 12, 2010
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FOLLOW-UP:

FBI looks for terror's tracks online

©New York Times

© St. Petersburg Times,
published September 15, 2001

The online posting on Aug. 30 sounded like the rantings of a crank: The subject was "911," and it warned "Something is going to happen tomorrow . . . REPENT!"

On Sept. 4, the author of the first message, "Xinoehpoel," was back: "Wait 7 days," he wrote.

The few people reading the obscure Internet discussion over the prophesies of Nostradamus dismissed it. But seven days after the message, on Sept. 11, the towers of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked. Xinoehpoel quickly returned to the discussion to gloat that he had predicted the disaster. And that was when the FBI and anti-terrorism investigators in 10 cities started calling the offices of O1.com, a Sacramento, Calif., company that sells Internet access to smaller Internet service providers. Xinoehpoel's messages could be traced back to one of the company's clients, said Brad Jenkins, the company's president.

When the subpoenas came, Jenkins said that he acted personally to make the process of handing over information go quickly and smoothly: "With this one, we said, "Don't send 'em through the hoops."'

As investigators pieced together clues from every possible source after the Sept. 11 attack, it is no surprise that they would look heavily within the online world, said James X. Dempsey, the deputy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington. "All of us live in that world, including the terrorists."

Other providers of Internet services, including such giants as America Online and Earthlink, confirmed that they too have been approached with requests to help conduct online wiretaps as part of the investigations following this week's attacks. The FBI did not respond to a request for comment. Online service providers have grown accustomed to requests for information as part of criminal investigations and civil lawsuits; an AOL spokesman, Nicholas Graham said the company deals with hundreds of the requests each year.

Some online advocates have suggested that law enforcement has gone further in the current investigation, demanding that companies attach the "Carnivore" Internet wiretap system to their networks. Carnivore has been controversial, in part, because the technology could be used to listen in on a multitude of online interactions for certain words like "hijack" or "bin Laden." But its intended use is to gather only the source and destination of a criminal suspect's e-mail.

Graham of AOL said that his company, like many of the larger service providers, does not need to attach the Carnivore system, which is formally known as DCS-1000, on its networks to provide information to the government. Jenkins, the Sacramento Internet entrepreneur, said that his view of government surveillance has shifted -- especially in the last week. "Certainly it appears that one of the ways these guys communicate is electronically," he said. "I think everybody would say, "Let 'em watch it."'

And Xinoehpoel? Jenkins said he thinks it was a false lead -- a "goofball" who got a prediction right.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/091501/Worl ... ror_.shtml

So what's the real message in the above piece? Looking for a terrorists or selling you the fact that CARNIVORE is coming to a PC near you! Laugh Laugh

Dime a dozen propaganda!

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March 12, 2010
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Sounds like you are confusing Zacarius Moussaoui with Leo Phoenix. Phoenix was posting even after Moussaoui was in custody. I don't care about 9/11 websites. I don't visit them and have no idea what they have discussed. As far as I know no one has discussed Phoenix beyond the early aftermath of 9/11 when the info on him was still fresh. I recommend using common sense rather than pushing any unproven theory. The information about Phoenix stands on its own. It is what it is, a person posting anti-American hate speech on the net and discussing 9/11 more than a month before the event.

A US court just granted compensation to the families of 9/11 victims. This is tantamount to an admission of guilt by the US government in failing to do enough to warn people. So that makes it legal and official.

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CodeBlack
we here at the Blackvault also had a "cryptic" poster in the summer of 2001 that was alluding to a rise of something in the Middle East but would not go into it, forget the name now might've been cat009.

But more importantly since the poster was cryptic the newspapers weren't they knew something was up and announced it before 9-11, and there are still references laying around the web like this one (I suppose you may need to find a hardcopy nowadays for the details since the news is so old:

Times of India reported that in June of 2001, the US Government told India that there would be an invasion of Afghanistan in October of that year. By July of 2001 George Arney, with the BBC, also reported the planned invasion.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stor ... mily-befo/

Note October as the announced invasion month and how it was an October invasion.

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"CodeBlack" wrote: Sounds like you are confusing Zacarius Moussaoui with Leo Phoenix. Phoenix was posting even after Moussaoui was in custody. I don't care about 9/11 websites. I don't visit them and have no idea what they have discussed. As far as I know no one has discussed Phoenix beyond the early aftermath of 9/11 when the info on him was still fresh. I recommend using common sense rather than pushing any unproven theory. The information about Phoenix stands on its own. It is what it is, a person posting anti-American hate speech on the net and discussing 9/11 more than a month before the event.

A US court just granted compensation to the families of 9/11 victims. This is tantamount to an admission of guilt by the US government in failing to do enough to warn people. So that makes it legal and official.

Nice ploy: Putting words in my mouth. Having difficulty discerning a post: Imagine that.

You are claiming that someone spewing hate speech a month before 9-11 has merit. I'm telling you that that line of reasoning is complete and utter BULLSHIT. It happens everyday on topics regarding everything from soup to nuts: What would all of the Hall Monitors do without such activity: Follow, or shall I clarify this simple example as well?

Further: The court just granted compensation TO the first responders--10,000 or so of them. You seem to be casting about very loose thoughts CB. Victim families were compensated years ago--years ago!

You also said that the FBI wiped him clean from the web only I showed you that to be FALSE!

Since you revel in splitting hairs: Two weeks does not = over 1 month--or even a month in and of itself! 😉

If anything Leo was one of a long list of initial Red Herrings in regard to 9-11: You choose your words very carefully CB--An obvious action: " Tantamount to an admission of guilt by the us Government for FAILING TO DO ENOUGH TO WARN PEOPLE

Only in essence that had no hand in the deed itself---Isn't that the intent of your reason CB? Amazing you sucked up the courage to ring up the FBI: What was your heart rate during that conversation? I know, I know no need to admit it!

Hey we phucked up: What the bloody hell: Here's a few million, now run along! 🙄

No further discussion necessary here! Enough people knew to have one posting all of it on the web prior to the event = ridiculous from a common sense standpoint.

But yeah you're right: IT IS WHAT IT IS Laugh

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