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December 2, 2009
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Israel stripped a record number of Palestinians of their right to live in East Jerusalem last year, an Israeli rights group has said.

Some 4,570 people had their residency rights removed, more than a third of the total number since Israel took control of East Jerusalem in 1967.

Palestinians fear an attempt to reduce their presence in Jerusalem, which both they and Israel claim as their capital.

Israel says most of those stripped of their rights were living abroad.

Palestinians living in East Jerusalem were offered Israeli citizenship after Israel occupied the area in 1967 and later annexed it.

Many refused, not wanting to recognise Israeli sovereignty, and were instead given residency.

But, according to the Israeli rights organisation Hamoked, if these Palestinians live abroad for seven years, or gain citizenship or residency elsewhere, they lose their Israeli residency.

Hamoked obtained the figures from the Interior Ministry using the Freedom of Information Act.

The organisation said that some of those who had lost their citizenship may now be stateless, or may not even be aware they have lost their residency.

Family visits and students studying abroad would be affected, it said.

The state of Israel pays billions of shekels a year in stipends to people who don't even live here
Meir Sheetrit - Former interior minister

Hamoked executive director Dalia Kerstein said the phenomenon had "reached frightening dimensions".

Israel's interior ministry said it had carried out a "comprehensive check" that people listed as residents of Israel had their lives centred in the country, and many were found to be living abroad.

Former Israeli Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit, who initiated the survey, told the BBC "it is a very normal, regular idea that people who are not living here for a long time" are not supposed to be residents.

He said those who had appealed had been approved to stay.

"The state of Israel pays billions of shekels a year in stipends to people who don't even live here," he told Haaretz.

The figures come amid Palestinian fears that Israel is trying to increase its control over East Jerusalem and cut it off from the West Bank, through the building of the West Bank barrier, house demolitions and evictions.

The right-leaning government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu maintains that Jerusalem is Israel's "eternal, undivided capital".

But it says recent demolitions and evictions are simply issues of law enforcement.

On Tuesday, a draft document leaked to Haaretz suggested the EU was considering hardening its stance on the city.

According to the newspaper, the document called for East Jerusalem to become the capital of a future Palestinian state.

The EU has never recognised Israel's annexation of the east of the city, which is illegal under international law.

Its formal position has been that the city's status is to be decided in negotiations, although some EU leaders have called for it to be a future shared capital.

Israel's foreign ministry reacted angrily to the reports, saying the apparent move by Sweden, which holds the EU presidency, "harms the European Union's ability to take part as a significant mediator... between Israel and the Palestinians".

It said the EU should be pressuring the Palestinians to return to the negotiating table, but the step would have "the opposite effect."

About a third of Jerusalem's residents - a quarter of a million people - are Palestinians with Israeli residency or Israeli-Arabs, who have Israeli citizenship.

Israel's annexation of the east of the city has never been recognised by the international community.

December 3, 2009
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"rath" wrote: The state of Israel pays billions of shekels a year in stipends to people who don't even live here
Meir Sheetrit - Former interior minister

Israel PAYS Palestinians to live in Jerusalem? I wouldn't. No need to support non-citizens, there or anywhere else.

December 4, 2009
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"vulcan6gun" wrote: [quote="rath"]The state of Israel pays billions of shekels a year in stipends to people who don't even live here
Meir Sheetrit - Former interior minister

Israel PAYS Palestinians to live in Jerusalem? I wouldn't. No need to support non-citizens, there or anywhere else.

No israel pays jews to live in Palastine.

December 5, 2009
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"rath" wrote: [quote="vulcan6gun"][quote="rath"]The state of Israel pays billions of shekels a year in stipends to people who don't even live here
Meir Sheetrit - Former interior minister

Israel PAYS Palestinians to live in Jerusalem? I wouldn't. No need to support non-citizens, there or anywhere else.

No israel pays jews to live in Palastine.

The American tax payer finances those Jews who give some cash to other Jews. It's so nice of them - especially when a quarter of the children in the States are in families on welfare and food stamps, millions homeless and somewhere near 15% are unemployed.

Oi vay!

December 5, 2009
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We also give illegals money to do the same thing, I would guess probably much more than we give the jews.

BloodStone...

If it were raining hookers, I'd get hit by a fag.

December 6, 2009
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"BloodStone" wrote: We also give illegals money to do the same thing, I would guess probably much more than we give the jews.

BloodStone...

* Give till it hurts, eh? Got anything left to give with all those freeloaders on your backs?

December 6, 2009
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Nope, but that ain't your problem is it? You love something else don't you squid?
Screwin' sh*t out instead of settling crap down is your war.

My kind will go down with an integrity you can't even fathom while your ilk imagines
sittin' on the Pig; shoveling your hollow victories down your gullets as the ultimate satisfaction.
That's the difference between you and me in this life time's battle for Providence's ethical and
moral benchmarks. Gutless wonder.

December 6, 2009
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"screamzero" wrote: Nope, but that ain't your problem is it? You love something else don't you squid?

* No. I'm pleased to say it isn't my problem.

Screwin' sh*t out instead of settling crap down is your war.

* Translate that from Yiddish will you?

My kind will go down with an integrity you can't even fathom while your ilk imagines
sittin' on the Pig; shoveling your hollow victories down your gullets as the ultimate satisfaction.
That's the difference between you and me in this life time's battle for Providence's ethical and
moral benchmarks. Gutless wonder.

* So I see the meds aren't working for you. But at least you aren't wearing a strait jacket anymore.

December 7, 2009
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It figures your reply would be meaningless. The picture you and I bicker over
strains the eye's capacity to see horizons. It is really that grand and you
struggle so with it.

Try drawing lines of embarkation instead of pushing matters off of cliffs.
Quite probably analogies elude your spiraling intellect so I'll put it this way:

It may behoove your limitless imagination to conjure some compassion
for ignorance while still having the guts to exterminate that which is
willfully ignorant (of which a fine example is the warped form of prejudicial
conclusion jumping you do so easily, rascal that you are) and to coral that which
is innocently ignorant to redirection and teachings.

Teach...that is what you do isn't it? - a charachter feat of integral strength
that requires a great spiritual capacity: not unlike that which sweetly talents
the Nippon psyche you so wantonly desire to live amongst. Take your Que.
Fix yourself. Meditate...if you are capable. Let that heal your grinding hatred.
It is gentle. Once you catch on you will recognize the real criminals.

I know! I must deal with it everyday here...but then I did not run away from
my country just because pigs and desperadoes choose to rock it. You see, they
too miss the point, but some of us around here know why we "work it". After
all, this place is the center of contention; success; failure; struggle and victory
throughout the world's conversation and has been the star of that conversation
for a bit better than 250 years...and will continue to be so. Look how well Japan
has done. You'd rather just bitch instead of help.

December 7, 2009
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"screamzero" wrote: It figures your reply would be meaningless. The picture you and I bicker over
strains the eye's capacity to see horizons. It is really that grand and you
struggle so with it.

* Meaningless? Well. why cast pearls before swine?

* Bickering? In your dreams.

* Struggle? I hadn't noticed.

Try drawing lines of embarkation instead of pushing matters off of cliffs.
Quite probably analogies elude your spiraling intellect so I'll put it this way:

It may behoove your limitless imagination to conjure some compassion
for ignorance while still having the guts to exterminate that which is
willfully ignorant (of which a fine example is the warped form of prejudicial
conclusion jumping you do so easily, rascal that you are) and to coral that which
is innocently ignorant to redirection and teachings.

* Yes, it's easy for me.

Teach...that is what you do isn't it? - a charachter feat of integral strength
that requires a great spiritual capacity: not unlike that which sweetly talents
the Nippon psyche you so wantonly desire to live amongst. Take your Que.
Fix yourself. Meditate...if you are capable. Let that heal your grinding hatred.
It is gentle. Once you catch on you will recognize the real criminals.

* Hatred? Oh, is that how you see it.

I know! I must deal with it everyday here...but then I did not run away from
my country just because pigs and desperadoes choose to rock it. You see, they
too miss the point, but some of us around here know why we "work it". After
all, this place is the center of contention; success; failure; struggle and victory
throughout the world's conversation and has been the star of that conversation
for a bit better than 250 years...and will continue to be so. Look how well Japan
has done. You'd rather just bitch instead of help.

* I'd rather bitch, would I?

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