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Gunrunning ATF Style
February 25, 2011
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Pretty amazing story here, but not surprising. Hopefully this will open a few eyes.

Gunrunning scandal uncovered at the ATF


WASHINGTON - Keeping American weapons from getting into the hands of Mexican gangs is the goal of a program called "Project Gunrunner." But critics say it's doing exactly the opposite. CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports on what she found.

December 14, 2010. The place: a dangerous smuggling route in Arizona not far from the border. A special tactical border squad was on patrol when gunfire broke out and agent Brian Terry was killed.

The assault rifles found at the murder were traced back to a U.S. gun shop. Where they came from and how they got there is a scandal so large, some insiders say it surpasses the shoot-out at Ruby Ridge and the deadly siege at Waco.

To understand why, it helps to know something about "Project Gunrunner" an operation run by the ATF the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

But as you can see--they will never tire of connecting a tragic event ( by design ) to those that some will consider conspiracy! Makes my blood boil. Ruby Ridge--Waco- :wtf:

In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic "weapons of choice" used by Mexican drug traffickers - semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols.

Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.

Move along, no worries.

Jaime Avila was one of the suspicious buyers. ATF put him in its suspect database in January of 2010. For the next year, ATF watched as Avila and other suspects bought huge quantities of weapons supposedly for "personal use." They included 575 AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles.

ATF managers allegedly made a controversial decision: allow most of the weapons on the streets. The idea, they said, was to gather intelligence and see where the guns ended up. Insiders say it's a dangerous tactic called letting the guns, "walk."

Let em walk!

One agent called the strategy "insane." Another said: "We were fully aware the guns would probably be moved across the border to drug cartels where they could be used to kill."

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk."

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."

Sure enough, the weapons soon began surfacing at crime scenes in Mexico - dozens of them sources say - including shootouts with government officials.

One agent argued with a superior asking, "are you prepared to go to the funeral of a federal officer killed with one of these guns?" Another said every time there was a shooting near the border, "we would all hold our breath hoping it wasn't one of 'our' guns."

Then, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered. The serial numbers on the two assault rifles found at the scene matched two rifles ATF watched Jaime Avila buy in Phoenix nearly a year before. Officials won't answer whether the bullet that killed Terry came from one of those rifles. But the nightmare had come true: "walked" guns turned up at a federal agent's murder.

The best for last ( above the law )=+= 😉

Hours after Agent Terry was gunned down, ATF finally arrested Avila. They've since indicted 34 suspected gunrunners in the same group. But the indictment makes no mention of Terry's murder, and no one is charged in his death.

Kent Terry said of his brother, "He'd want them to tell the truth. That's one thing my brother didn't like was a liar. And that's what he'd want. He'd want the truth.

In a letter, the Justice Department which oversees ATF says the agency has never knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to suspected gunrunners. ... 5609.shtml

Agent Terry:

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Such a senseless waste: RIP Agent.

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April 1, 2011
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No comments on this--LOL---Wonder why? Your President has denied any and all knowledge--while Big Sister Janet just put a 5 Million dollar bounty on the head of those responsible for the deed.

Pretty amazing: QUESTION----Would THEY do the same for some poor average Joe, you know--someone's kid on HOLIDAY who happen on the wrong place at the wrong time?

I wish someone.anyone would come out from under the ether.


October 5, 2011
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I originally put up the first post back in February, still no response I see. Laugh Laugh But now it seems to be all the rage on the Hill, even in the White House itself.

I told you this was ..............well it seems some SMART PEOPLE out there in the media pool ( IMAGINE THAT ) Maybe it's just politics>>>>>>>>>>>>Refuse to go away, for once I stand with those with the guts to keep at it.

This is a freaking HUGE STORY which is only now gaining real traction. Someone has Holder in their sights, no pun intended. Laugh

CBS News Reporter Says White House Screamed, Swore at Her Over Fast and Furious

They named it after a freaking movie...................And you have to ask what they think of you as a people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>amazing to say the very least.

We are now talking THOUSANDS OF GUNS--------------Not just garden verity junk but high end assault rifles and all the assorted gear.........This is absolutely insane.

The Fast and Furious scandal, in which the Justice Department knowingly gave Mexican criminal gangs thousands of guns, just keeps escalating. The latest development centers around whether or not Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about having knowledge of the controversial gun trafficking operation. Recently released documents say Holder was briefed about the operation long before he told the Judiciary Committee he was first aware of what was going on. (Holder now claims he misunderstood the question was being asked.)

I'll be fair about this.....The woman in question is NOT one of my favorite human beings-------that said, this could very well be of Political motivation. Regardless this story is true beyond true and there is no way in hell it can be spun away.

The ATF along with other US Agencies supplied Mexican Gang types with these weapons under the guise of it being an operation to " TRACK THE WEAPONS " " SEE WHERE THEY LED TO "

Now my Gawd how freaking stupid assed is that.............That GREENEY is more than Likely a full blown Lie--------------A cover story for what they really wanted to have happen....JMHO..........But it sure seems to have some ELECTED OFFICIALS in a FULL BLOWN panic.

Are these the types of clowns who claim to be PROTECTING YOUR ARSE???

If so then we need a complete overhaul of this Agency, and like yesterday! ... 95011.html

Fast and Furious~ WTF >>>>>> Is far more appropriate!


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