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February 26, 2016 - 8:38 am
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"One last thing which I 100% agree with Ron Garner and I'll paraphrase; "People will believe what they want, based what they feel is really happening. Even though I sit here explaining to you the truth, you'll still only believe what you feel is right."

Roger, I'll be 69 next month, and been on this board since the beginning of it.  As I've said, I have debated, herd, and seen everything on here, and the one common thread has been people so convinced they are right and know "the truth", 10 minutes after some event in the news, they are calling you stupid for not believing their conspiracy theory. They all have the same condesending and elevated idea of their own "superior knowledge" of their work and research.  Here you are stating you are explaining "the truth" where you have jumped from UFO's and the cold war, to why were dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, 911, to now declaring you have see flying creatures on mars. 

Either I am completly stupid, or their are a lot of gullible people making up the truth.    

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Greeny, have you done outside the box thinking or researching ever? Meaning to listen to the other side of the story? Why don't you meet with some Japanese people and ask them what they "think" really happened and why? You might be blown out of the water with what they have to say - if anything at all. Ask them how they feel about Americans.

I've spent three years researching on all possibilities that are different from what we're told in school and passed down by our parents/grand parents and by socialism such as our two governments USA/Canada. Not one of these two governments can explain anything about our ancient past let alone any other country on the planet. So that means history is someone's best guess. Case and point; Bosnia has Pyramids covered in vegetation and not one other government believes them!!! Easter Island's megalithic Stone Heads have full bodies attached to them also covered by vegetation ~ estimated 400,000 years. These statues are covered in ruins and a language foreign to anyone.

Because our two countries is heavily influenced by Great Britain and the Cabal, I don't trust our leaders or the crap that has been told to us, taught to us etc... (I just posted alternate Hitler stories). I do believe we're getting closer to the truths, only because people are not so gullible but logical now.

Did you even want to get into the Georgia Stones? I have time, I have patience, I have researched a lot. Know the USA has a shadow government that controls the real government. Did I say that or did Bill Clinton?

Believe what you want to believe to help you get through life. Your beliefs will not help others. Nor mine, nor other people. Only the Truth will, hence my quest for full complete Disclosure. I don't care who/how dirty and corrupt our past has been. I want a bright fearless future for my daughter and all humanity. You cannot achieve this future with our current system and leaders.

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"Greeny, have you done outside the box thinking or researching ever? Meaning to listen to the other side of the story?"

I doubt very much you have done the kind of thinking outside the box, i have in my working career for Rocketdyne. I've been part of special teams solving the most complex problems on the Space Shuttle main engines, robotic welding development that had never been done, as well as 2 years on the Challenger and Columbia stand down, where every single part and component was reviewed and improved, every step scrutinized completly. We adoped and implemented many Japanese manufacturing methods of continuous process improvement, and extensive experience in failure analysis, metalury, and advanced welding problems, all done in special teams that brainstormed as a team, listened and developed new and better processes.  You had to listen to others, work as a team with a concensous, be willing to change.  So please don't insult me about not believing people with no credibilty, whos theories lack the standard of iron clad proof.  I delt with finding root causes of problems with NASA approving "can't fail" solutions. Again using special team techniques to get to the bottom of complex problems. This is the real world of thinking out of the box.  

"Believe what you want to believe to help you get through life. Your beliefs will not help others."

I believe that is what you need to do!  I've gotten through many years of life, married 43 years, secure in my beliefs and Faith, and raised 2 wonderful kids, have 2 grandchildren, worked in Americas Space program for 30 years, and happened to not think this government of ours (mine anyways, your from Canada) is the evil thing you imagine. We are not alway happy with how things are going, and we are in a mess right now.  Everything is not a conspiracy, and most so called conspiracy theories lack any standard of proof. 

You are convined we could not have gone to the moon because one "engineer" said we could not go through this radiation belt.   That isn't much proof, we went to the moon before he was born. I think there was about 100,000 people who actually built it, that would say he was full of crap.    

I could not help but notice you gave no opinion how all the tracks on the ground, the lunar rover, and the langing module, are all visible 40 years later right where we left them.  Point is you can not ignore things right in front of your face, that crumbles some theory.  You are the one who claims to be so open minded, or are all those pictures fake too?  

Thinking outside the box is a great thing, and it can be just chasing rainbows with a dead end, or real work and innovating thinking, like I did in my life, where the bullshit stops, and credibility is everything. All these great theories about the WTC falling, people had zero knowledge of the iron carbon diagram, and how steel fails far below melting temperature, and how ludicras the idea Thermite was planted in the building lacked any  feasable "How they did it"  explanation.  

As I said, we are light years apart on these subjects, and it is not becasue I can not think outside the box, or stupid.   

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February 27, 2016 - 6:13 am
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When the hell did I say anything about the moon landing being a hoax? Quote you "You are convined we could not have gone to the moon because one "engineer" said we could not go through this radiation belt.   That isn't much proof, we went to the moon before he was born. I think there was about 100,000 people who actually built it, that would say he was full of crap."

Your credibility is diminishing Greeny big time. You really need to read what I'm posting let alone anyone else. You obviously have a set way of life.

Building and working on space programs is NOT thinking or researching outside the box material! Seriously?! Come on Greeny, I'm here to help, not pick a fight with a nonagenarian.

This is what I'm talking about with respect to researching and thinking outside the box: https://archive.org/details/Lesson7EarthsGeodeticsArrayOfWonder READ IT! Proof of another system right in front of our very own eyes!

Your light years apart comment is laughable! The 60's just called me, they want you back.

I cannot believe what I'm reading Greeny. Shame on you.

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Roger you are right, my mistake, the moon comments related to another forum, so I retract that part. My bad on that! I stand by all the rest of what was said. 

I think you are here to pick a fight, and when I did not agree with you, you have been insulting, with comments amount to calling me stupid, not to mention assinine comments about the 60's. I do not swallow your theories, and stated why, and the proof is on you. 

I could care less what your opinion is what your definition of what "thinking outside the box is or is not". I know what it is to me, and what I have done in my life concerning that.  Point is, you said I had no ability to listen to others, and be open minded.  This is exactly what 30 years of these kinds of special teams is based on, in that arena. Being objective is also part of thinking out of the box, and being able to decide what is a dead end and waste of time.  

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And yet you still will not read my work. When I have I called you stupid? You're the one to call me such things. Everyone that disagrees with you Greeny is only here to pick a fight. Wow.

Greeny, your work (whatever it was/is) on a space program would have been super cool, fun, amazing, wonderful etc.... It's not outside the box thinking or researching. I'm sorry to inform you. It was merely a task, a job etc.. .all based on a system/mathematics that was stringed together by intelligent people. Great job nevertheless!

In 18 years of designing integrated PCBs to handle internet connections etc... I expect someone in 18 years from now to tell me I wasn't thinking out the box too. You and I are playing catch up to races far more intelligent and superior to all of us put together. Can we agree on that? The ancients didn't required airplanes, tanks, rocket fueled propulsion because they had/have superior technology and alternative mathematics that we're still discovering.

Bob Lazar speaks of back engineering UFO crafts amongst many others as well too - proof of another technology/system that as far as I can research (powers that be will let me) which puts all our systems under the metaphorical bus. Hence we're still thinking inside the box.

I do find you extremely offensive, putting words in people's mouth and defending something on here which I'm not what it is. My personal work is proof of another system greater than ours or any technological wonder ANYONE has ever made with respect to the last 8000 years.

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February 28, 2016 - 9:22 am
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Really!  I welcomed you here when you started, and when you were giving up, said I hope you decided to stick with us, have said many good things on other threads of yours, and even in this thread, said I was glad you are posting.  

Enough said! 

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Making sure Greeney is all.

Now that were hopefully back on the same page... did you read any of my work? I would like feedback.

This forum/website is going to create arguments, disagreements etc... the nature of such subjects. If I had indeed raised your blood pressure, I do apologize. My intent (at least here) is to educate people of another world existing right in our own.

I personally do not know what you believe in (haven't had the time to look through your 9000+ posts). I'm assuming you believe in UFOs and aliens from other planets, correct? I'm a strong believer in that you either do or don't believe. I really can't stand people that say they do and then when proof is put forward to them they back up and leave out the backdoor - but I understand them leaving. This material and subject is not for everyone. Two people that worked on archeaocrpytography and took it to the next level killed themselves as they had too many other people saying otherwise or criticizing their work.

I've mentioned things very personal on here about my past and the light that brought me here. I do invite challenges of kinds. I've personally been  in the presence of a supreme being. I've personally several UFOs and one very recently. I've also seen Orb beings, however not in person. Can't get into it as I hope those who have will one day share that with you and everyone here. Same Orb beings that Corey Goode has mentioned (well before Goode ever came out). 

My ultimate goal is to get Project Disclosure moving faster. The flip side of this project obviously based on the subject presented in it are in fact tied to many occults, conspiracies, cover ups, all predating the time of mankind. I'm asking you to help me and others. The disagreements we've had is a bread crumb considering some of the situations I've been in with respect to my work and UFO/Alien subjects. I've tried helping Ancient Aliens, I've helping MUFON, I'm helping Michael Tellinger's movement towards a free world aka UBUNTU - yes you can even ask him of that.

Money is the root of all evil and destruction. If you think you're free... well, what more can I say. I know I talk about much summed up sometime too quickly and that it gets confusing. I have multiple boards, forums and work I do. I've talked about all this stuff too many times already. I would like to focus on the overall movement towards Utter Complete Disclosure.

If I may be so bold to ask this once and only once; Greenewald Sr and Jr, can you please start an official Project Disclosure membership here on the Black Vault? People will require a profile stipulating if they are in or out with respect to not just believing in UFO/Aliens... that they exist, they are here. My work is hopefully proof of a foundation with respect to a time on Earth that had incorporated technology superior to ours now.

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rogerbrown said

If I may be so bold to ask this once and only once; Greenewald Sr and Jr, can you please start an official Project Disclosure membership here on the Black Vault? People will require a profile stipulating if they are in or out with respect to not just believing in UFO/Aliens... that they exist, they are here. My work is hopefully proof of a foundation with respect to a time on Earth that had incorporated technology superior to ours now.

Everyone here is welcome to their own ideas, and to express them as such.

There will not be any Project Disclosure membership here.

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Roger, just to clarify one point.  The Blackvault is John's 100%, I only post in the message board like anyone else. He is the founder and owner.  

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