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Ex-Presidential Aide's Body Found in Landfill
January 7, 2011
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I am very surprised I couldn't find any discussion here about this story. This is a ufo/conspiracy site, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/presidential-a ... d=12532638

Ex-Presidential Aide's Body Found in Landfill
Former Bush, Reagan Aide Jack Wheeler Was Murdered, But Cops Don't Know Why

John Wheeler fought for dignity and honor for the fallen of the Vietnam War. That's why it is so sad and ironic, his friends say, that he himself would be murdered, and his body dumped with the garbage into a landfill not far from his home.

Wheeler's body was discovered New Year's Eve as it was being dropped from a Newark, Del., city Dumpster into the Cherry Island landfill in Wilmington. An autopsy found that he was a victim of homicide, but police are not releasing any details of the medical report.

John "Jack" Wheeler was known as a man of honor: a West Point graduate, a Vietnam veteran, and the man who was the driving force behind financing the construction of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.

He served three presidents -- Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, for whom he was a special assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force. He moved easily among Washington's elite, working most recently as a military consultant.

But the circumstances of his death are a mystery. Police said today they don't know where he was killed, why he was killed, or who may have killed him.

Investigators were back at the landfill today, scouring for leads.

"We have no suspects at this time," Lt. Mark Farrall of the Newark police told ABC News. "What's important now is to establish the location of the crime."

Farrall said that Wheeler, who who has homes in Washington, D.C., and in New Castle, Del., was scheduled to take a train from Washington to Wilmington on Dec. 28.

But at this point, he said, police have no information about Wheeler's whereabouts that week.

"His family was travelling, so no one reported him missing," Farrall said.

Wheeler reportedly was in a running dispute with a neighbor who was building a house across the street from his home in New Castle. Wheeler filed suit to halt the construction, which partially blocked his view of the river.

"The home construction dispute is one aspect we are considering," Farrall said. "But it is just one aspect, it's not the focus of our investigation."

Wheeler's death has saddened many of his close friends, including former CIA Director Jim Woolsey and author James Fallows.

Fallows wrote a tribute to Wheeler in the Atlantic Magazine online, saying, "I feel terrible for his family and hope they will eventually find comfort in knowing how many important things he achieved."

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January 7, 2011
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This murder is totally mind-boggling. And yes--I'm serious--I would be very interested to hear Cole's sincere beliefs about this story.

Wheeler worked under Reagan and both Bush's. His credentials are impressive. He led the effort to create the Vietnam War Memorial. And he was involved in secret and apparently TOP secret stuff with the government.

So if you don't know the story already, a few days ago, the guy was seen walking around in the streets, completely disoriented, saying he had been robbed. He couldn't find his car. He was walking around with one shoe on, and carrying the other one. His eyes according to one eye witness were "more bloodshot than had ever seen."

Then the next day, he is seen rolling out of a garbage truck into a landfill; evidently murdered and pitched into a dumpster. Not anywhere near where he lived or worked.

So............... let's hear the opinions. What happened? Do you think it's as simple as someone forgetting to take their meds, getting confused, and then robbed and murdered? Or is there something sinister about this?

And Cole really I want to hear your opinion but please don't saunter in here with your nose in the air and claim that it's obviously "government disinfo" and call us idiots. Thanks in advance, bud.

John Wheeler Murder Gets More Baffling
(CBS) His body tumbled from a garbage truck into a landfill, reports CBS News chief legal correspondent Jan Crawford.

John Wheeler, the driving force behind the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and former White House and Pentagon aide, was found dead on New Year's Eve, buried in the trash.

Police say Wheeler's body was picked up from a dumpster in Newark, Delaware. But there's much they don't know about a crime that seems to get more baffling with every new clue.

In the days before his death, Wheeler seemed to come unhinged.

On Dec. 29th, he showed up at this pharmacy in New Castle, Delaware, asking for a ride. That night, Wheeler was captured on surveillance tape, stumbling through a parking garage, looking for his car -- which wasn't there.

"He didn't look good, he was really weird," said parking lot attendant Iman Goldsborough. "He had no overcoat on and one shoe in his hand."

At about 8:30 the next night, Dec. 30, Wheeler was seen at a former DuPont Company building in Wilmington, again seeming disoriented.

The next day his body was found at the landfill.

Robert Dill, a neighbor who had seen Wheeler Christmas Eve, was shocked at Wheeler's condition on the tape.

"I have never seen him like that in my life," said Dill. "I have no idea."

Wheeler, a veteran, was working in Washington for a defense contractor and was recently interviewed on CBS News Sunday Morning.

But law enforcement sources say the murder was apparently not related to his government work.

"It's got us totally confused," said Dill. "At this point I couldn't even give you a theory."

Police haven't said how Wheeler was murdered or even where he was actually killed. They are looking at a legal battle with a neighbor -- but friends say they can't imagine that dispute would have led to his death.

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January 7, 2011
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I already know how crazy this seems.

But after considering all the facts; Yale grad, then Harvard Law, associated with the Bush clan (and likely therefore a great "Skull and Bones" candidate)

I really wonder if maybe--just maybe--there was mind control used on the guy. Deep, deep, subconscious mind control that had some kind of trigger that would pull if he stepped out of line. Like a hypnotic suggestion that made him lose his mind if whoever chose to trigger it.

I don't know. The thing is his family isn't talking. If they come out and can show that he was on heavy doses of Lithium for a chemical imbalance in the brain, then I'll probably change my mind... but until then everyone is saying this is completely out of character and he had no known mental problems.

People can snap and it be normal. Sure. Happens probably more often than we know. But this guy--again after carefully weighing all the facts--just isn't a candidate for something like that.

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January 7, 2011
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Surprizing what stories around here get unnoticed, or just ignored, and the little stories get blown out of proportion. I did see in the news, where they had the video of him in a garage and had lost his car. He was holding a shoe and was limping, walking very strange. Something had happened to him, so how did he get from there to the landfill dump dead? And Why? He was having a dispute with his neighbor who was building a house that was making some kind of problem. I'm not sure how connected it was, but evidently a nasty neighbor dispute.

January 7, 2011
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This one is also posted by Nasaie in the war forum. What makes it a war forum thread is beyond me. He has been having a nasty ongoing dispute with his neighbor over a problem concerning the neighbor building something out of character for a historic area I think. He has been quite heated from what they said. Could be related, and may have nothing to do with anything he was involved with in the government.

January 7, 2011
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I recall a couple of years ago, on the old BV, having a debate with a man (I forget his name but he called himself "conservative" and an engineer, Frosty may remember his name) about an article written by Jack Wheeler. I don't recall the specific debate, but I remember researching the name Jack Wheeler. I remember the comparison to Indiana Jones. And I remember the coincidences of his residences just before incidents such as Iran/Contra broke out. In my mind I was convinced he worked for the CIA. There appeared to be a lot of circumstantial evidence to support that belief.

Now today, I read an article where John Wheeler, recently murdered, was also known as Jack Wheeler. Wow...Are "tptb" beginning to murder their minions? It reminds me of all the stories where the minions who work for the evil overlord are easily gotten rid of, by the evil overlord. Maybe we should all be careful who we contract with as employers. Last I looked, Jesus worked for himself, AKA God...

Anyway, not to get too far off topic, here are some other articles about Jack Wheeler's past:

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-07-31/ ... ck-wheeler

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title= ... ernational

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.b.htm

David Finzer is co-founder of the World Youth Freedom League, the youth branch of WACL.(41) Finzer heads the Washington-based Conservative Action Foundation, a group which has supported the Mozambique National Resistance (MNR or RENAMO). The World Youth Freedom League reportedly received funding from WACL in South Korea. Finzer also served on the board of the International Youth Year Commission, an entity implicated in diversion of funds to the contras in the Iran-Contra scandal. 15 Other Leaders include, John K. Singlaub, Colonel Doner [disciple of Dennis Peacocke], Robert K. Dornan, Dr. Donald Sills, Dr. Jack Wheeler , Howard Phillips and Tomas D. Schuman (former KGB agent.)16

There are way more articles out there, if anyone is interested. Again, I have to question, are those who thought they were in the "in crowd" beginning to be knocked of as the first pawns of a chess game? Or maybe, knights and bishops are now being sacrificed? What ever anyone's stature is, this may be a warning.

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January 7, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: Surprizing what stories around here get unnoticed, or just ignored, and the little stories get blown out of proportion. I did see in the news, where they had the video of him in a garage and had lost his car. He was holding a shoe and was limping, walking very strange. Something had happened to him, so how did he get from there to the landfill dump dead? And Why? He was having a dispute with his neighbor who was building a house that was making some kind of problem. I'm not sure how connected it was, but evidently a nasty neighbor dispute.

I heard the dispute with the neighbors was a year old. It seems to me that somebody would have just shot somebody in the heat of the moment. That one just doesn't sound right to me.

Take a look at my last post, we were posting at the same time. I recall the name Jack Wheeler, who I researched a bit back for a debate against...I wish I remember his name...you liked him Greeney and he was always up in this forum. Ugh, I hate that.

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January 7, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: This one is also posted by Nasaie in the war forum. What makes it a war forum thread is beyond me. He has been having a nasty ongoing dispute with his neighbor over a problem concerning the neighbor building something out of character for a historic area I think. He has been quite heated from what they said. Could be related, and may have nothing to do with anything he was involved with in the government.

Sorry for the double thread then... I haven't been to the W&T forum in a while. Embarassed *edit* oh! I have been to W&T a lot lately it's just that Nesaie posted her thread less than an hour ago... ok that makes more sense.

Um.. FOX has been all over this for a couple days and have been over the neighbor dispute thoroughly. The police aren't giving up any information which adds to the mystery. They are calling this a homicide but they won't say how he was murdered or when. But as far as the dispute with the neighbor, the LEGAL part of the battle has been heated but witnesses say the personal relationship between Wheeler and the defendant hasn't been heated at all.

Some "smoke bombs" went off in the disputed neighbor's house and there is rumor that his cell phone was found there. But that is stupid, it makes no sense, and he is obviously smart enough to grab his cell phone--in other words it sounds like some kind of really lame frame job.

All the witnesses say it would be COMPLETELY out of character for him to do anything illegal like put smoke bombs in the neighbor's house.

And finally it just makes no sense whatsoever that the neighbor/defendant would murder Wheeler over a property lawsuit.

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January 7, 2011
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"Nesaie" wrote: I recall a couple of years ago, on the old BV, having a debate with a man (I forget his name but he called himself "conservative" and an engineer, Frosty may remember his name) about an article written by Jack Wheeler.

Conservative engineers or possible engineers I remember are

uxo_tech
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and that cool guy named bill from oklahoma, I don't remember the nickname.

Nesaie, I'm sorry, I posted about this story in the general forum (it's not really War on Terror stuff, is it?). I didn't know you had posted this thread.

If you want and have the wherewithall, you can take my thread and imbed it into yours, but I would really like you to move whatever thread that takes precedent, to the general forum where it will get the attention it deserves!

This is way more of a mystery than that gal out in Cali that was murdered in the street.

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January 7, 2011
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IT WAS etraveler! THANKS!

I liked and miss uxotech...we had good debates. After I asked him to be kind, he actually gave me links to info. I appreciated that.

I would suggest that this does belong in this forum. I would suggest that gorilla warfare employs the same tactics that terrorists employ. Iran/Contra was about training "gorillas", selling drugs for weapons, and teaching poor how to cook poisonous crack. The CIA is deeply involved today in all of the above. Just look at the "school of the Americas" (oh wait, they had to change their name because of their bad rep, just like Blackwater changed to Xe).

If you want and have the wherewithall, you can take my thread and imbed it into yours, but I would really like you to move whatever thread that takes precedent, to the general forum where it will get the attention it deserves!

I don't have the power to move or merge threads. Even when I did, it was limited to the forums I moderated. But, I agree that either thread that takes off should be the one we post to, the other can just sink. I can always repost. 😉

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