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Gun control, lobbyists, special interests and the election.
March 7, 2016
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We have not missed a single debate, both sides. Last night I thought of something when the topic was gun control, baited by questions from a Father of a young girl shot in the head, but surviving.  This is always the emotional set up, that they capitalize on.

Hillary and Bernie Sparred on the law that protected the gun manufacters from liability, from someone bad shooting someone.  Why on earth would the gun manufacturer be responsible for the actions of a nutcase, who bought something legally, gun stores did everything right?  answer is they should not be liable for than, they would be liable for a product liability, inherent problem of a gun malfunction, defect in materials or workmanship, recalls, etc. 

Then it hit me, Hillary is a lawyer, and lawyers always go after the deep pockets.  The special interrest groups supporting liberals like her, want these kinds of laws, not for our protection, but to allow them a whole new field of lawsuits, going after the deep pockets gun manufacturers, when the punk ass gang member, criminal, low life, or drug addict, doesn't have a dime.  They want these gun laws so make a bonanza for them in courtrooms coast to coast.  They lobby to these elected officials, give them campaign money, grease their plams like nobodies business, so they can open the door to lawsuits, where juries could care less if insurance companies, corparate giants, and in this cast Winchester, Ruger, Remington, will pay big awards.  The scumbags of the world will not pay a dime, but they will.

How much money is given to people like Hillary by the legal profession to pass these laws for their bonanza?  Just look at medical malpractice suits, car accidents against manufactures, baby toys, product liability, its all a racket, and makes them millions.  This is why the super pacs have strings attached, and for all the Trump haters, he is self funded, that should mean a lot to voters, he is not beholding to any special interest groups. 

March 7, 2016
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I have not watched any of the debates on either side as I am not particularly interested in a dog and pony show.

 

I do however understand the reasoning here. In addition to the monies...the left or whoever is pulling the strings of the left is intending to go to the source of manufacture to deny Americans any guns.

In the end the US Government will be the only ones with access to guns....and they are giving plenty of guns and larger arms to people who do not like us. This is going to backfire on them in the end.

This is a severe moral and ethical dilemma for Government or whoever is the real Government of the United States today.

They obviously do not trust Americans to own guns. We are to be made just like any other international country ..armless...not armed. And I mean here not just physically disarmed but also mentally and spiritually disarmed as well.

 

Here is the moral dilemma for Americans who can think outside of the Kardashians or their sports team...pick one..pick more than one.

 

If our government cannot and will not trust us with guns...they will certainly never trust us with a vote. They will rig both the gun market and the voting market.

 

If our government will never trust us with a gun and a vote...they will never trust us with a real genuine education ..they will rig this one too.

If our government will not trust us with a gun, vote ,  and a real genuine education..they will  never trust us with real information. They will rig this too.

Are some of you catching on yet or are you still stuck on those Kardashians???

 

If our government will never trust us with a gun, vote , a real education, or real information...they will never trust us with our religion. They will rig this one too.  Are you still struggling to catch on???

They will feed you anything and everything to find blame and guilt, to cause division among Americans  but never the ability to think a thing through to its component parts and then a whole picture.

 

Are some of you understanding the severe moral and ethical dilemma of the US Government in not being the product advertised..not trusting American..in any avenue??

 

Think it through ..it fits. Do not emote...but instead...think.

 

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March 9, 2016
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Sounds basically like you are not voting.  You make some giant leaps from one logic to another that probably sound completly logical to you. 

You can't judge a good dog and pony show from its cover.  Laugh 

March 10, 2016
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greeney2 said
Sounds basically like you are not voting.  You make some giant leaps from one logic to another that probably sound completly logical to you. 

You can't judge a good dog and pony show from its cover.  Laugh 

Oh..I'm going to vote. I am just very dubious about the selection and what is coming in the mean time.

The dog and pony show is not just in the debates...it is in between elections as well.

It is also in the Hegelian Dialectic taking place.

 

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March 11, 2016
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Glad you are going to vote, I think no other election I can remember are people more concerned about who gets in.  We have not missed one of those dog and pony shows and watch all the other things going on daily.  

I was glad to see last nights debate not turn into the Jerry Springer show.

If there is a dog and pony part of these events, I have to say the most unfair part has been when they all got placed according to polls, and the media telegraphing, who is #1-17 on the republican side, and who is #1-5 on the Demoratic side, and those on the bottom hardy got to talk.  

Finally afer months, and 17 becoming 4, you get to hear Kasich, and poor Ben Carson had to say things like "Please will someone pick on me, so I get to talk". they might as well have told them, you guys hold the coats and hats for everyone.  

IMHO the single most long term issue, is if Hillary gets in, predictions of at least 3 possible Supreme Court vacancies might happen, and if they get loaded up with far left Judges, instead of a reasonable balance in the Surpreme Court, we are in trouble for a long time.  Executive orders will never be overturned, and liberal White House, will get away with murder. I do not want the Supreme Court loaded with all Conservative Judges either.  It must be a balanced mixture of legal views, and why we have a system of 9 justices. 

March 11, 2016
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Greeny2,

I like some of what Kasich states. But I mostly liked Ben Carson. I like his quiet humble reserve...lack of overdone ego. I am not saying he does not have an ego but shows great reserve in it. Humility if you like. This is something I don't particularly like about Trump.

 

While I did not watch any of the debates ..I listened to the radio here this morning and the commentaries on it. They are saying basically what you stated..that it did not turn into the Jerry Springer Show. I am gratified to hear this.  That kind of thing, to me, does not show leadership.

 

Agree also about the importance of the Supreme Court Appointments.

The appointment I am interested in are those which will put the government back in it's bottle...and out of my business. Those which will follow the Constitution..not fold, spindle and mutilate it...for political capital/lucre....at the expense of the people...and for the political parties. We have had way to much of that by both parties and across the board...in government.

March 11, 2016
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Greeny2,

 IMHO the single most long term issue, is if Hillary gets in, predictions of at least 3 possible Supreme Court vacancies might happen, and if they get loaded up with far left Judges, instead of a reasonable balance in the Surpreme Court, we are in trouble for a long time.  Executive orders will never be overturned, and liberal White House, will get away with murder. I do not want the Supreme Court loaded with all Conservative Judges either.  It must be a balanced mixture of legal views, and why we have a system of 9 justices. 

 

Ok Greeny...let me see if I can get this thing to type out the link for me.

I saw this earlier this evening while surfing for alternative news sources. When I realized what was being said..I was stunned. Stunned that a Constitutional law professor or teacher does not seem to know this or the difference.

http://www.theblaze.com/storie.....eople-out/

 

If  you read what is being stated in this article you can easily understand how this current administration is so removed and disconnected from Most Americans.

From the article....

 President Barack Obama said his nominee to fill the vacancy left by the death of Justice Antonin Scalia would be someone who will be certain that “the political system doesn’t skew in ways that systematically leave people out.”

In previous nominations to the high court, Obama has said that “empathy” is a high priority. 

 

This is an incredibly ignorant quote if it is in fact from a sitting President and also a teacher of the Constitution.

To my limited knowledge the purpose of the Supreme court is not to have the court concern itself with whether the people are left out but if the law or court case they are handling and over which they are deciding is in accordance with the Constitution.

Empathy is not the prime consideration here. But the merits of the case against the Constitution..not peoples feelings.

Once again I state that one has to be educated to become this dumb. Only education can dumb someone down this far.

However..this is also a prime case of "Gaslighting." Stealing and substituting over the Constitution and the people of this country. A substitution scheme...the olde Three card Monte...or the shell game.

"making sure the people are not left out and empathy are being substituted here for leadership and also for the Constitution of the United States and also the Republican form of government spoken about in the Constitution.

I caught this with the very first reading of this article.

The Constitution is also not about fair per se. This again is a cheap political substitution. I have noted this aplenty in the Presidents religion/dogma. The democrat platform as well.

The Constitution is about Limited Government giving people freedom and liberty.

Fair is not the same thing as freedom and liberty. Again a substitution scheme is being done here with the hopes no one catches on to it.

 

My .02,

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