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Prometheus
December 31, 2011
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Is anybody else jacked up to see this? It's an 'Alien' prequel, except it won't be about the xenomorphs; it's mostly going to be about the Space Jockeys. Remember that alien corpse that was sitting in the cockpit of that spaceship in the first movie? It's going to be about them. I think it'll be a lot more interesting to see than another rehash of humans fighting the xenomorphs. 😎

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Epic. 😎

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March 24, 2012
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They look nothing like what their biomechanical suits might suggest they do. They just look like really big humans...kinda like the aliens from 'Battlefield: Earth' without the dreadlocks.

I guess if the suits are literally biomechanical, then it would sort of merge with the biological wearer...rendering them one with each other. That's probably why when they find the Bone Ship in 'Alien', the Space Jockey looks just like the suit -- sort of decomposing together.

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March 24, 2012
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This probably also explains why the giant head statue looks like a Human instead of anything else. :think:

They seem to be moving away from the "growing out of the chair" comment Dallas makes and the ship not being as old as assumed. I would have prefered keeping in line with the old ideas but this direction could be even better. Plus we have to remember the Nostromo crew could only guess what had happened. In addition to Prometheus not even being thought of yet. This is the bad side of prequels, having to fit into established things later in the timeline.

Although it's not 100% certain that both ships are the same one. It seems like the could be setting us up for a twist where there were two and the one of this film is completely destroyed. Might help to explain why the planet looks vastly different from this film and alien. This one lacks the wind storms and perpetual night of the original.

Now that I looked over the Prometheus wiki article I'm wondering if it's even the same planet LV-426. ❓ Is there any word on this? I know they're using the same star system (Zeta II Reticuli). Perhaps this planet is a different of from Alien/Aliens and is the "main base." LV-426 could be where the Space Jockeys crashed a ship many years ago and just never bothered to do anything with the ship. Kinda like "let's leave the thing alone so we don't get attacked in case an egg hatches."

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March 24, 2012
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That's a very good point. The atmosphere of that planet doesn't look quite like LV-426, but the terrain does. LV-426 couldn't be perpetual night though. Remember when Newt says "they mostly come at night, mostly," and she and Ripley are looking at the sun going down. It just looked dark because it was really cloudy from the atmosphere processor I guess. And when the crew from 'Alien' landed they must have landed at night.

It could still be the same planet on a really good weather day.

You could be right though...maybe LV-426 was another planet that had nothing to do with us, and was just a botched mission. It's an interesting thought.

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March 24, 2012
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"event_horizon" wrote: You could be right though...maybe LV-426 was another planet that had nothing to do with us, and was just a botched mission. It's an interesting thought.

As stated above it's reported to be the same star system. Taken exactly as worded there is the possibility of a different planet or moon, but still being LV-426 is a possibility. Just another wait and see thing I guess. The derelict from Alien could have been there for a long time and even the Space Jockeys forgot about it.

You could be right about the Atmosphere Processor being what made it different. They never did explain how they worked in any great detail. However the climate was pretty bad in the first film. When they're walking to the derelict the wind is blowing quite fiercely and there doesn't seem to be as much in Prometheus. Maybe it has something like a "windy season" or the climate is affected by it's orbital location.

On a slightly related note I found this on the AVP

Influenced by the work of Erich von Däniken, Anderson researched Däniken's theories on how he believed early civilizations were able to construct massive pyramids with the help of aliens, an idea drawn from Aztec mythology.

Incorporating the traditional Ancient Astronaut theory is a great idea. :thumbup: I wonder what it would be like if the Space Jockey race's name is Anunnaki. :think: The film seems to be saying either that or it's just what we Humans call them.

If this were the case then maybe they worked in the Humans made to mine gold and the ship was on course to wipe out the slave population until a Facehugger got loose and crashed it on LV-426 to be found by the Nostromo and possibly Prometheus crews. This might work into the line about searching for our beginnings could lead to our end.

Why do we have to wait so long for this movie to come out. :thumbdown: The more teaser stuff I see the more I want to see the actual film. We're coming up with so many possibilities and we need answers.

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March 26, 2012
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I know man...all this speculation is killing me! Laugh

And when it finally does come out, we still won't get all the answers. I read that the ending will be open-ended, and Ridley talks about making a sequel...in which we'll probably have to wait at least another 3 years. :Doh:

As far as the quote from AvP...I'm sure Ridley is looking to stay far, far away from that universe. Both he and James Cameron are appalled at those films, probably more so than they are with 'Alien3' and 'Alien: Resurrection'.

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March 26, 2012
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Something just occurred to me. :think: In Aliens "The Company" while seeming to dismiss Ripley's claims about the alien they sure get a mission going in a hurry when things go bad. If they truly didn't believe her then sending Marines would be too costly to the bottom line. It's like they knew what was there and had happened. So I'm thinking someone from Prometheus (probably Meredith Vickers) sends a message back to Earth about all the goodies that can exploited for profit. I also wonder if the colonists were sent there with the intent on being Xenomorph kibble. Even at a small estimate
"40-50 families" could be 120 people.

Another thing is Ash seemed to be on the Nostromo for a reason. Dallas tells Ripley he was a last minute choice which is convenient considering the timing. It's been awhile since I've watched the films but Ash seems to know about the Aliens already. Meaning he'd have to get that from somewhere. Seems like something else that will be explored in Prometheus or a potential sequel.

I'm also going to take an educated guess and say that this film will follow previous ones in that at best only a few will survive, possibly even just one, likely Vickers. Although I think they've done that theme too many times already.

As for the newer films not being as good I admit when I first read that AVP was going to take place near Antarctica and in present day I thought the idea was bad, however it did better than I thought. In the event of a new film it should definitely be set post Resurrection. Perhaps use the "game preserve" from Preditors and see if they actors will come back. Either way I want to see a return of the Aliens and them fighting Humans and I hope they're not trying to reboot the franchise.

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March 27, 2012
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Nah...I don't think the company knew about it. If they did, it would've been much safer for them to just go there and bring back a few eggs, rather than make it way more dangerous by creating hundreds of xenomorphs. Not sure what would be the point of that.

I still think they had no clue about it until Ripley arrived back at the space station. After hearing Ripley's story, Burke sent Newt's parents to the ship to check it out, perhaps thinking that he could get in on the reward for the find.

And I think Ash was just doing what the company ordered him to do in the event they ran across an extraterrestrial life form -- bring it back at all costs, even if having to make the crew expendable.

I like AvP but I wouldn't mind seeing an Alien 5 someday. If somebody can write a good script, they should do it.

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March 27, 2012
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"event_horizon" wrote: I like AvP but I wouldn't mind seeing an Alien 5 someday. If somebody can write a good script, they should do it.

If and hopefully when they do an Alien 5 they should use one of the previously discarded ideas. A crew be exploring deep space and find a pyramid with eggs in it, adding Prometheus elements of Space Jockey looking structures, writing etc. Then either in the same film or a next one use the first Alien 3 script with modifications. Newt and Hicks would of course be dead but Ripley 8 could be brought in as a super weapon.

This could then lead to the aliens getting to many planets instead of being confined to one location then wiped out.

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March 28, 2012
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"WarAngel" wrote: This could then lead to the aliens getting to many planets instead of being confined to one location then wiped out.

If the Space Jockeys are responsible for creating the xenomorphs, then it's conceivable that many planets could already be infested with them. The Derelict on LV-426 could just be one failed mission out of many successful ones.

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