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Why would I be christian when I know God?
May 18, 2010
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I've been asking this question for years.
Brian, I'd like your viewpoint as well. Stay off the wheat.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

May 18, 2010
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Which god do you know?

May 18, 2010
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How many are there, qmark?

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May 18, 2010
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More than enough, gods that are no gods.

May 18, 2010
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Gods that are not gods are not gods.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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May 18, 2010
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Exactly.

May 18, 2010
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I feel like I'm Alice, in Wonderland.

I want to shake you until you make sense, but I won't.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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May 20, 2010
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"Nesaie" wrote: I've been asking this question for years.
Brian, I'd like your viewpoint as well. Stay off the wheat.

I'm a pantheist.

Thus "god" is involved in all things; moreover, it is all things. This includes the concrete and the abstract. The universe I intuitively define to be the totality of all that is, which, again, include the concrete and abstract.

Evidence of god is abundantly available, actually all perceptions are of god. What there isn't evidence for is the Christian god which they have to take on faith. I do not need faith to believe the universe exists. I might be the only thing that exists if solipsism is accurate, in which case the universe is smaller. At any rate, there is a universe.

Math and science are therefore forms of theology, studying the universe is learning about God. This can be done by any explorer who chooses to examine the universe, starting with a self-examination.

In this context, there is no such thing as salvation. Sin is an invention, a convention that people agree upon but nothing more.

There is a baggage-free definition of God which I am trying to develop based on Max Tegmark's level IV multiverse hierarchy. (Worth googling) The realm of Platonic forms are very much a part of God/existence. Parallel universes are what is pointed to (the meaning of) by the symbols that occur in the formulation of mathematical structures which by any "right" exist just as much as any other structures. What I've found is a sort of uber-structure which (informally) contains all other structures. Thus it is literally the universe, assuming Tegmark's hypotheses of course. (Might wanna look for The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis.)

One aspect of all this is that there is intrinsically a timeless part and a part in which time is involved.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

May 20, 2010
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Which god do you know?

Exactly Laugh

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May 27, 2010
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At1, interestingly enough, I agree with several of your points.

I've been toying with the idea that we are all just playing a video game down here.

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