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Who says only Muslims commit acts of terrorism
July 29, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: AT1, his motivation was to do a violant act to innocent people, because he disagreed with the orderly decisions or his own government, through due process, to allow controlled immigration of a group he did approve of.

This is far differnt from a declaration of war, where countries meet on a battlefield, in uniform, and fight it out. Such as many of the battlefields of WW1 or WW2. I'm not justifying war, but there is a difference between the Norway, and declared wars. I'm sure we could debate this forever, saying its one thing to face someone rifle to rifle, but what about bombings of cities, mines, etc. etc.

Bombings like Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Not exactly rifle to rifle, they.

"bionic" wrote: I think one is a warped Muslim and one is a warped Christian or thye think they are....they think thye are acting on the behalf of their relgiion when in actuality thye are acting on the behalf of fascsim and bigotry.
But form their perspectives..thye truly believe they are acting on their religious beliefs.
denial/rationalization/justification/demonization/projection/delusion.. these can be powerful games the mind plays with itself

By the definition "Jesus would not approve," many who think they are Christians are not.
More importantly, the "category" one belongs to really doesn't matter. I'm not suggesting the Norway shooter is a Christian, or isn't, it doesn't matter to me because what Christianity is is spelled out in the Bible, and Christianity is not defined by his actions or anyone's actions other than Christ.

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July 29, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: The Norwegian, so far all I have herd is a mear mention of him as a conservative Christian. I have not herd a word yet about his daily religous affilation or daily involvment at all. I have not herd a word about any religious obsessions other than idendifying with the Knights Templar in some way.

Just curious, let's ask Sandra, Tom, qmark, Halfabo, orangetom, et al how often they go to church.

I've heard from some of them that church is everyday, everywhere. I haven't read the Norway shooter's manifesto so I don't know if he feels the same way.

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July 29, 2011
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"bionic" wrote:

But we can, and we are told to, judge someone's fruit (of the spirit)

oop..not JUDGE them ..like you said, that's God's job..but KNOW them (really for our own protection..the frog and the scorpian comes to mind)
(though it is a human tendency to judge..trust me..I KNOW..just a slong as we know deep down that judging is really not for us to do..but that does not mean we blindly go about life without..discernment)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....d_the_Frog

I checked and what I found does say something to the effect of know them by their fruits, not judge them by their fruits.

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July 30, 2011
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"at1with0" wrote: I checked and what I found does say something to the effect of know them by their fruits, not judge them by their fruits.

Yes, to know them by their fruits. How do you do that? By making a determination (judgment) on whether they are fruits of the Spirit or not.

Jesus said;
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Obviously judgment is not an issue, but the way we judge certainly is.

"at1with0" wrote:
Just curious, let's ask Sandra, Tom, qmark, Halfabo, orangetom, et al how often they go to church.

I've heard from some of them that church is everyday, everywhere. I haven't read the Norway shooter's manifesto so I don't know if he feels the same way.

The "church" is not a building, or an organization, or a denomination. The "church" is the individual believers making up the Body of Christ. It's not something you do, it's something you are.

Currently, I go to A church practically every Sunday, but that is not what makes one a Christian. Christ in them, is what makes one a Christian.

July 30, 2011
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"qmark" wrote: [quote="at1with0"]
Just curious, let's ask Sandra, Tom, qmark, Halfabo, orangetom, et al how often they go to church.

I've heard from some of them that church is everyday, everywhere. I haven't read the Norway shooter's manifesto so I don't know if he feels the same way.

The "church" is not a building, or an organization, or a denomination. The "church" is the individual believers making up the Body of Christ. It's not something you do, it's something you are.

Currently, I go to A church practically every Sunday, but that is not what makes one a Christian. Christ in them, is what makes one a Christian.

Yes, which means that the Norway shooter's lack of church attendance is not why he's not a Christian.

Is it possible that Christ is in a person yet s/he still sins?

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July 30, 2011
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Some people would like to hang this on a Christian agenda if they could, only by hearing this guy is a conservative christian. Maybe he hasn;t seen the inside of a church since he was a child, and is about as religious as nothing. Thats a entirly different senerio from a Extremist Muslim who does 5 Muslim prayer sessions everyday, lives breaths and sleeps, as a practicing Muslim. Isobsessive about infidels and militant in nature. I would expect to hear something along those lines with the so called "fundementalist Christian". Church every Sunday, active in weekly chruch activities to the point of obsession, walking around preaching and evangelizing obsessively to everyone and his brother. Ranting to everyone about the Muslims and how they threaten there lifestyle. I think we all understand a fanitical kind of existance, is much different than someone who was brought up in one religion, but not really active in it with exception of occasional attendance.

July 31, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: Some people would like to hang this on a Christian agenda if they could, only by hearing this guy is a conservative christian. Maybe he hasn;t seen the inside of a church since he was a child, and is about as religious as nothing. Thats a entirly different senerio from a Extremist Muslim who does 5 Muslim prayer sessions everyday, lives breaths and sleeps, as a practicing Muslim. Isobsessive about infidels and militant in nature. I would expect to hear something along those lines with the so called "fundementalist Christian". Church every Sunday, active in weekly chruch activities to the point of obsession, walking around preaching and evangelizing obsessively to everyone and his brother. Ranting to everyone about the Muslims and how they threaten there lifestyle. I think we all understand a fanitical kind of existance, is much different than someone who was brought up in one religion, but not really active in it with exception of occasional attendance.

Islam is what some of us know as "Not a finished work."

It must needs be finished. This means what to those who know about the fingerprint..is called "Works."

There is work to be finished because the religion is not a finished work. To some Muslims very devout and fervent this is called "Jihad." Jihad under the dictum's of what ever Imam/Imams that control them unto the "unfinished work."

In the case of this fellow in Norway..apparently he thought he too needed to finish the work. This tells you that he cannot be a Christian as well...because he felt that he needed to finish the work.

Same with the RCC...and others..the work continues..unfinished.

That is a tell tale sign or knowledge of what one is looking at...unfinished work..in a religion. This is paganism...to do works in getting saved or reaching the kingdom/Nirvana/Valhalla or whatever term is used to describe it.

There are however ...a number of peoples becoming alarmed in Europe by their own governments tendency towards what he described as Multiculturalism and it's failures in their nations. This awareness is being severely downplayed and discounted/manipulated by the media in the west so as to be non existent until another Jihadist strikes.
The French are the most noticeable ones taking steps in this arena. This is why it was a surprise to many of us that this came out of Norway.

The French have had enough of this Wildlife rioting in their streets and cities.
But in Norway this person became in like manner ..."Wildlife."

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July 31, 2011
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Again you are so far into left field, I have no idea what you are talking about! "works", "unfinished works", "fingerprint", ..."Wildlife."

July 31, 2011
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No problem Greeny2. There are others out here who do.

No offense taken nor intended to be given.

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July 31, 2011
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