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Who says only Muslims commit acts of terrorism
July 29, 2011
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It is illogical to assume that he acted on behalf of Christ or God by defining him as an extremist Christian.

(Not saying you did--just btw)

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 29, 2011
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He isn't repentent yet..he is proud of what he did..when he repents..let's talk
I ain't judging him..just saying he not a representation of Genuine Christianity..not right now..not saying he never was..or could become again..just..not right now

I agree. We can never know what a person may do in the future which is why it is not up to us to judge someone's soul (or spirit), that is God's job. But we can, and we are told to, judge someone's fruit (of the spirit).

July 29, 2011
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That's puzzling.

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July 29, 2011
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How should I know for sure? Can a soldier who has killed hundreds be a follower of Christ and be filled with his spirit?

Yes, many men have done exactly that, doing it as we speak, and will do it in the future. They went off to war, and did the unthinkable, but they did it with the fear that if the enemy was not stopped, the enemy could kill scores of people, and in turn take over this country. Who doesn't know the story of Sgt. York is WW1. And probably thousands of stories just like him. They went to war, and came home to live a life of peace, have families, and worship in their religions. They undoubtly lived with haunting memories, PTS, and remorseful they had to take lives, but maybe not for the reasons they had to take them. They did their duty to their country. The bombadier of the Enola Gay I think committed suicide years later, but most of the crew lived long normal lives. I do not know the religous views many of these men ended up with, or problems, but they just wanted to come home, and see it over.

At some point you would think the Norwegian would have said, "What have I done"? However he is brazen about it, proud of it, and thinks he did nothing wrong. If Norway has such lieniant prison sentences and systems, I can't imagine how lieniant they will be determining if he is a mental case, not fit to be tried. Even his own Father said he wishes he would have killed himself.

July 29, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote:

How should I know for sure? Can a soldier who has killed hundreds be a follower of Christ and be filled with his spirit?

Yes, many men have done exactly that, doing it as we speak, and will do it in the future. They went off to war, and did the unthinkable, but they did it with the fear that if the enemy was not stopped, the enemy could kill scores of people, and in turn take over this country.

And what prey tell were this dude's motivations? You're saying that if the motivation meets certain criteria, then mass killing is still within the boundaries of being a Christian; I disagree.

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July 29, 2011
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Jon Stewart brought up this point.

The shooter at Fort Hood. Do you believe he is a Muslim?

On his business card, the Ft. Hood shooter has SoA written there which means soldier of Allah.

The Norway shooter apparently wrote a manifesto in which he basically identifies himself as a soldier of God (correct me if I'm wrong), or at least as a Christian.

So which way do you want to have it: Mr. Ft. Hood is a Muslim and Mr. Norway is a Christian or they are neither.

Are we going to say that everyone who does something Christ would not approve of is not a Christian?

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July 29, 2011
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AT1, his motivation was to do a violant act to innocent people, because he disagreed with the orderly decisions or his own government, through due process, to allow controlled immigration of a group he did approve of.

This is far differnt from a declaration of war, where countries meet on a battlefield, in uniform, and fight it out. Such as many of the battlefields of WW1 or WW2. I'm not justifying war, but there is a difference between the Norway, and declared wars. I'm sure we could debate this forever, saying its one thing to face someone rifle to rifle, but what about bombings of cities, mines, etc. etc.

July 29, 2011
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I think one is a warped Muslim and one is a warped Christian or thye think they are....they think thye are acting on the behalf of their relgiion when in actuality thye are acting on the behalf of fascsim and bigotry.
But form their perspectives..thye truly believe they are acting on their religious beliefs.
denial/rationalization/justification/demonization/projection/delusion.. these can be powerful games the mind plays with itself

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 29, 2011
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But we can, and we are told to, judge someone's fruit (of the spirit)

oop..not JUDGE them ..like you said, that's God's job..but KNOW them (really for our own protection..the frog and the scorpian comes to mind)
(though it is a human tendency to judge..trust me..I KNOW..just a slong as we know deep down that judging is really not for us to do..but that does not mean we blindly go about life without..discernment)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....d_the_Frog

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 29, 2011
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I think we have a bit of a paradox, with the idea more religions are responsible for wars or terrrorism. Most people do not believe the True Muslim or True Christian would do these things, as I do not think they would. Followers of God, do not plan and do terrorism. Its some twisted or distorted view from the religion that seem to prevail in terrorism. Therfore they are not representative of the true religions, so the concept of religious terrorism is wrong.

Was the Ft. hood guy a Muslim? Was the Norwegian a Fundmentalist Christian? Which one, or both, had a regular practice of being part of their religion? The Ft. Hood shooter had a well known association with his religion, regular prayers, and regualar contact with clerics in the middle east. We know what messages are taught about Jews and Infidels, and the strict laws regarding Christian material in Muslim countries.

The Norwegian, so far all I have herd is a mear mention of him as a conservative Christian. I have not herd a word yet about his daily religous affilation or daily involvment at all. I have not herd a word about any religious obsessions other than idendifying with the Knights Templar in some way.

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