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Who says only Muslims commit acts of terrorism
July 28, 2011
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I agree that, violate my family, I wouldn;t be such a nice guy either, at least we can admit it, even if we know its probably wrong. We see everyday how our justice system fails, all we need to do is say OJ or Casey. There is also a fine line of what is justice and what is revenge. As civilized people we do strive to have our revenge in the form of the justice our system allows, which was adopted as a means of not allowing revenge.

I just finished writing about the prisons in Norway in the General forum, and where this guy will probably end up while he waits out his real fate after this life. Our concepts of sins, and Heaven or Hell, seems to not deal with the extremes to well. I know some sins deserving of Hell, but is there a special place there for someone who did this? How does it get worse than Hell? If you were really bad you go to Hell/Hell? Laugh 🙁 On the other side of the coin, is there different places in Heaven for the really good? ( I know last time I used the term "good" is was an issue) Is there a place the Catholics believe is Pergatory? ( I know already what Q and Tom will say)

July 28, 2011
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Maybe this is purgatory.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 28, 2011
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I've thought of that!

July 28, 2011
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And of course this can be heavenly and hellish as well.

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July 28, 2011
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"at1with0" wrote:
Judge the fruits.
How do I go about doing that when all Christians are sinners? Which sins am I supposed to weigh more heavily and decide oh they're not Christian because they sinned in this or that way? Only God knows if they are truly repentant and Christ taught us to not judge.

All Christians are sinners? The Bible says ALL have sinned and fall short. You are not supposed to weigh sins at all and if you are judging human actions you will always come to the same conclusion. However, the Bible does tell us to judge fruits.

I am talking about the fruits of the Spirit being manifested in a person’s life. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, as described in Ephesians. I think we would be hard pressed to find those fruits actively manifesting themselves in this guy.

The book of James says this: “By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”

Again, I think we would be hard pressed to find this guy practicing righteousness. You are correct that we are all sinners but the difference between a child of God and a child that is not of God is kind of obvious as James states. Repentance is the key.

Jesus said;
“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.”

I’ll ask again, do you believe this guy is a follower of Jesus Christ and filled with His Spirit?

July 29, 2011
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"qmark" wrote: All Christians are sinners? The Bible says ALL have sinned and fall short. You are not supposed to weigh sins at all and if you are judging human actions you will always come to the same conclusion. However, the Bible does tell us to judge fruits.

I am talking about the fruits of the Spirit being manifested in a person’s life. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, as described in Ephesians. I think we would be hard pressed to find those fruits actively manifesting themselves in this guy.

The book of James says this: “By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”

Again, I think we would be hard pressed to find this guy practicing righteousness. You are correct that we are all sinners but the difference between a child of God and a child that is not of God is kind of obvious as James states. Repentance is the key.

Jesus said;
“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.”

I’ll ask again, do you believe this guy is a follower of Jesus Christ and filled with His Spirit?

How should I know for sure? Can a soldier who has killed hundreds be a follower of Christ and be filled with his spirit?

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 29, 2011
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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="qmark"][quote="at1with0"]How do you know?

Seriously? Judge the fruits. Do you believe this guy is filled with the spirit of Jesus?

Judge the fruits.

How do I go about doing that when all Christians are sinners? Which sins am I supposed to weigh more heavily and decide oh they're not Christian because they sinned in this or that way? Only God knows if they are truly repentant and Christ taught us to not judge.

I'm not a big fan of labels anyway.

He isn't repentent yet..he is proud of what he did..when he repents..let's talk
I ain't judging him..just saying he not a representation of Genuine Christianity..not right now..not saying he never was..or could become again..just..not right now

Willie Wonka quotes..
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Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 29, 2011
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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="qmark"]All Christians are sinners? The Bible says ALL have sinned and fall short. You are not supposed to weigh sins at all and if you are judging human actions you will always come to the same conclusion. However, the Bible does tell us to judge fruits.

I am talking about the fruits of the Spirit being manifested in a person’s life. The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, as described in Ephesians. I think we would be hard pressed to find those fruits actively manifesting themselves in this guy.

The book of James says this: “By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”

Again, I think we would be hard pressed to find this guy practicing righteousness. You are correct that we are all sinners but the difference between a child of God and a child that is not of God is kind of obvious as James states. Repentance is the key.

Jesus said;
“But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either. Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.”

I’ll ask again, do you believe this guy is a follower of Jesus Christ and filled with His Spirit?

How should I know for sure? Can a soldier who has killed hundreds be a follower of Christ and be filled with his spirit?

ooh..that's a good point..semantics

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 29, 2011
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I seriously doubt that Christ would approve, if that's what is being asked.

But, then again, Christ probably doesn't approve of any sin.

I could be wrong though. Maybe extenuating circumstances can alter what is actually a sin.

Even if he seemed repentant, we can judge his fruits all day long but will probably not know what is truly in his soul.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 29, 2011
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Pretty sure Christ would not approve of Christianity.
for the simple fact that..
I am pretty sure he would not be comfortable with being made into a 'golden calf'

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

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