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Who says only Muslims commit acts of terrorism
July 23, 2011
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Premier says 'my youth paradise' has turned into 'hell'; police say suspect's website indicates he was a right-wing, Christian fundamentalist:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854355/ns ... ?GT1=43001

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July 24, 2011
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Police said right wing Zeolot. The never used the term Fundementalist Christian.

July 24, 2011
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Uhm...no.

Directly beneath the headline it says "police say suspect was right-wing, Christian fundamentalist," which was discovered after they viewed his Facebook page. He was also against multi-culturalism and Islam.

Wonder why this idiot couldn't go and attack Al Qaida somewhere. Why attack a bunch of unarmed teenagers. Coward.

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July 24, 2011
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OSLO, Norway — Norwegian police searched for more victims and a possible second gunman on Saturday after a suspected right-wing zealot killed at least 92 people in a shooting spree and bomb attack that have traumatized a once-placid country.

This is the first paragraph right under your headline, but either way I agree with some thing you did say, "why don;t these cowards ever go after the real targets, and not innocent people"? What possible justification is there for a youth camp shooting spree? The same can be said for nearly every single Islamic act of terrorism. They are clearly guided by a faction of the religion without a doubt, as they control those in that Faith. You may wish to identify this guy as some Fundememtalist Christian, which is a debate in itself, but you can not identify him coming from hyarchy for any religion, like you can with Islamic terrorists. They run and control entire countries, do terrrorism under some mask of extremists, but in fact countries like Iran sponser them, along with the the clerics and top levels of Islam.

To start some subject of equalizing Christian Terrorism, and Islamic Terrorism, is quite a stretch, when there is no link we know of yet to that. No link whatsoever to some planned plot or conspiracy, from a hyarchy or any church or religion has been extabished. So far he has been a single person acting alone.

July 24, 2011
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"event_horizon" wrote: Premier says 'my youth paradise' has turned into 'hell'; police say suspect's website indicates he was a right-wing, Christian fundamentalist:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854355/ns ... ?GT1=43001

Oklahoma comes to mind

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

July 24, 2011
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No real mention of Religion in his profile, its alot more political and anti immigration issues, and grievances with the government policies regard Islamic immigration.

....Norway massacre suspect driven by "crusade"

By Patrick Lannin and Johan Ahlander | Reuters – 18 hrs ago
....tweet8EmailPrint......OSLO (Reuters) - The man suspected of Norway's gun and bomb massacre had belonged to an anti-immigration party and opposed multi-culturalism, Islam and the "cultural Marxists" of the establishment, web postings, acquaintances and officials said Saturday.

Anders Behring Breivik was accused of gunning down 85 people at a youth camp and killing another seven in a bomb attack on Friday.

"Before we can start our crusade we must do our duty by decimating cultural marxism," said a caption under a video called "Knights Templar 2083" on the YouTube website.

At the end of the approximately 12 minute clip, several images appear of Breivik, including one of him in a Navy Seal type scuba diving outfit pointing an automatic weapon.

Two pictures also appeared earlier on a Facebook page created on July 17. The video was uploaded to YouTube on July 22, the day of the attacks.

A Norwegian discussion website provided a link to an 1,500 page electronic book by an individual called Andrew Berwick, who also uploaded the video. In the book, Berwick is revealed as Anders Behring Breivik.

It could not be verified who posted the video or who wrote the book.

Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat on its website reported that at least one Finnish politician, a member of the populist True Finns, received the e-mail manifesto Friday afternoon.

"Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike," the book said.

Norway has traditionally been open to immigration, which has been criticized by the Progress Party, of which Breivik was for a short time a member. The Labor Party, whose youth camp Breivik attacked, has long been in favor of immigration.

In the book, there is a direct reference to the summer camp where he writes about infiltrating the youth camp of a ruling party and assassinating the party leader.

The video and book are in contrast to the more measured tones used by Breivik in 2009 and 2010 in comments on blogs on a Norwegian website critical of Islam, http://www.documents.no.

"What most people still do not understand is that the ongoing Islamicisation of Europe cannot be stopped before one gets to grips with the political doctrine which it make possible (and the individuals which front these doctrines)," he wrote in October 2009.

Another entry dated February 16 last year said: "According to two studies, 13 percent of young British Muslims aged between 15 and 25 support al Qaeda ideology."

He does not advocate violence in any of the comments.

Breivik wrote he was a backer of the "Vienna School of Thought," which was against multi-culturalism and the spread of Islam. He also wrote he admired Geert Wilders, the populist anti-Islam Dutch politician, for following that school.

The Vienna reference seems to concern the halt of the Ottoman Turkish invasion at Vienna in 1683.

Wilders said in a statement on Saturday: "I despise everything he stands for and everything he did."

QUIET AT SCHOOL

Breivik was a freemason, said a spokesman for the organization. Freemasons meet in secretive fraternal groups in many parts of the world.

The suspected killer was also a member of the Oslo gun club and was fond of weightlifting. Police said Breivik carried a pistol and an automatic weapon during the attack, adding he had never before come to the attention of the police.

"He was rather introverted at school, even though he was a good student," said Michael Tomola, who knew Breivik from the age of 13 to 16 at the school they went to in an Oslo suburb.

"I'm very surprised by this (attack). I had a good impression, although he became very engaged in subjects he cared for. He got very extreme about things he cared for," Tomola told Reuters.

The Facebook page set up last week included a variety of interests such as hunting and political and stock analysis.

His tastes in music included classical and trance, a hypnotic form of dance music.

The profile veered between references to political philosophers and gory popular films, TV shows and video games.

Nina Hjerpset-Ostlie, a contributing journalist to the website, said she had met Breivik at a meeting in late 2009.

"The only thing we noticed about him is that he seemed like anyone else and that he had some very high-flying, unrealistic, ideas about marketing of our website," she told Reuters.

Police searched an apartment in an Oslo suburb Friday, which neighbors said belonged to Breivik's mother.

"It is the mother who lives there. She is a very polite lady, pleasant and very friendly," said Hemet Noaman, 27, an accounting consultant who lives in the same building in the upmarket part of the capital.

"He often came to visit his mother but did not live here."

Breivik, who attended a middle class high school called Handelsgym in Oslo, had also been a member of the Progress Party, the second-largest in parliament. He was a member from 2004-2006 and in its youth party from 1997-2006/2007.

The Progress Party wants far tighter restrictions on immigration, whereas the center-left government backs multi-culturalism. The party leads some public opinion polls.

A politician who met Breivik in 2002-2003, when he was interested in Oslo politics, said he did not attract attention.

"I got the impression that he was a modest person ... he was well dressed, it seemed like he was well educated," Joeran Kallmyr, 33, an Oslo municipality politician representing the Progress Party, told Reuters.

Progress leader Siv Jensen stressed Breivik had left the party and that she regretted he had been a member.

(Additional reporting by Victoria Klesty; Editing by Matthew Jones

July 24, 2011
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Indeed, who says only Muslims commit acts of terrorism? Certainly not anyone I've ever met or seen on TV.

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July 26, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote:

OSLO, Norway — Norwegian police searched for more victims and a possible second gunman on Saturday after a suspected right-wing zealot killed at least 92 people in a shooting spree and bomb attack that have traumatized a once-placid country.

This is the first paragraph right under your headline

DUUUUUUUDE. Look again. DIRECTLY BENEATH the headline. ABOVE the first paragraph. It says "Christian Fundamentalist."

I don't know if you're just overlooking it, or pretending it isn't there. Regardless, with the way he talks about going on a "Crusade" and anti-Muslim rants, it's obvious that he's a fundi-Christian.

"greeney2" wrote: To start some subject of equalizing Christian Terrorism, and Islamic Terrorism, is quite a stretch, when there is no link we know of yet to that. No link whatsoever to some planned plot or conspiracy, from a hyarchy or any church or religion has been extabished. So far he has been a single person acting alone.

Well, today he talked about there being 2 other cells. And if there's a church/religious organization involved, I doubt they'd be advertising themselves all over the place.

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July 26, 2011
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Bottom line, is your headline was a conclusion of the articals author, and not a direct quote of the police if you read your own artical. It clearly says the police called him a "right wing zeolot", they did not use the words Fundementalist Christian.

You are so intent on wanting it to be Christian related, thats the only thing you care about for your Atheist agenda. Speaks alot about you, and what an Atheist agenda is. Other than this statement in the beginning by the police, nothing has been found to link this to any religion or religious roots. It appears his motives are political in nature against a Marxist government, and their policy on immigration of Muslims.

Your deduction he is therefore is a fundi-christian is ignorant.

Read you entire aritcal DUDE next time.

July 26, 2011
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I did read the entire article, and it ALSO said that "Breivik's Facebook page was blocked, but a cached version describes a conservative Christian from Oslo," which further had me believing that he was a fundi-Christian. But I've been reading more about it since I've had more time, and it appears the initial "fundamentalist Christian" accusations over the weekend were false.

I don't "want" it to be "Christian related" anymore than I want 9/11 to be Muslim related. I wish the whole damn thing would just stop.

I do agree with one thing about this nut. Too many nations are allowing too many Muslims to migrate freely, knowing that their Islamic faith doesn't allow multiculturalism. How is that supposed to work? And with the freedoms that these/our nations have, it allows them to infiltrate the military and political offices, not knowing which ones are linked to terrorists and which ones aren't. It also makes it more difficult to weed out terrorist cells. They should just stay in the Middle East, in their own Islamic countries. We should not be appeasing them. It's going to come back to bite the free world all up in the ass.

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