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What's The Difference Between Miracles and Fairy Tales?
May 27, 2016
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Miracle is defined as "a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency." And fairy tale is defined as "a children's story about magical and imaginary beings and lands."

If we have no evidence of why existence exists, then come to the conclusion that an imaginary being must have done it, essentially by using magic, then how is this any different than a fairy tale?

I don't believe what I believe because it's what I desire to believe. I believe what I believe because it's what science, evidence, and logic causes me to believe.

May 28, 2016
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Not sure how to answer this other than maybe your returning may be a miracle!  Joking our course. 

How is my old friend Event doing?  I just said on another post a few days ago, I hoped some of the atheist posters, from a few years back,  would be lurking and jump back in.  

Regardless of our epic battles, hope you have been well, as with some of the others who use to post along with you.  

May 28, 2016
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I found a definition that states a miracle is as something unexplanable  from the "physical world", in other words some event that actually occurs in real life. It can just be just a figure of speech, or something deeper, unexplainable, supernatural, or from God, but none the less from something real and unexplainable that really happened, therefore a miracle. The event that is real, is the root of the miracle in question.  Catholics have a strict criteria for establishing 2 miracles for becoming a Saint.  There was no mention of scientific or natural explanations first. 

Fairly tale is clearly a writing of fiction, not real in facts or events.such as a childs story, and not something from a real or actual event. 

The best answer to you question you already gave. The 2 definitions you gave, do not equate one to the other, they have different definitions. 

May 29, 2016
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Well, greeney, I'm not one to lurk around. I'll pop in and out of here once every few months or so, just to see if the crickets stopped chirping. This time I thought I'd drop a line or two, just for old times sake.

This place used to be happenin' back before facebook, now it looks like it's chock fulla lurkers. Barely anyone posting and tons of views. Everybody went and got cold feet or something? LOL what gives.

Now about these "miracles"...

The minute you invoke a divine entity into the equation of an event without any shred of evidence, that's when it becomes a fictitious tale.  People are telling stories about an imaginary being using magic to intervene in human affairs...so basically, miracles can be thought of as non-copyrighted fairy tales.  There's nothing else to it really.

I don't believe what I believe because it's what I desire to believe. I believe what I believe because it's what science, evidence, and logic causes me to believe.

May 30, 2016
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Yes Event, facebook and others, and a texting world, people are just not into taking time to write something. They want to take a picture of their bacon and eggs at Dennys, and say "Look what I'm eating", that thats about all the effort they want to spend.  

Even know we disagree on a lot of issues, I have to say, you took the time to write something and express yourself.  In message boards like John's, the archives still have all the old subjects, you can find them and revive them, on facebook they just scroll into oblivian by the next day.  

Funny part about these miracles vs fairy tales, some do not want to believe in a miracle claiming they can't be real, but we flock to the movies to see fairy tales and leave convined they are real. Some can not imagine God can exist, but can imagine every crazy character and computer generated garbage in a movie can exist. When you need a miracle in life, nobody prays for a fairytale. 

May 31, 2016
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greeney2 said
Funny part about these miracles vs fairy tales, some do not want to believe in a miracle claiming they can't be real, but we flock to the movies to see fairy tales and leave convined they are real. Some can not imagine God can exist, but can imagine every crazy character and computer generated garbage in a movie can exist.   

 

LOL I'm having a bit of a hard time with this one -- it's pretty freakin' crazy. Not sure about other movie-goers...I can only speak for myself. I only watch movies so I can escape from reality for a little while. It's fun to suspend disbelief for a couple of hours.

I don't believe what I believe because it's what I desire to believe. I believe what I believe because it's what science, evidence, and logic causes me to believe.

June 1, 2016
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Could not help but notice you did not include my last sentence "When you need a miracle in life, nobody prays for a fairytale. "  

I think you get my point, people do not really believe the fairy tale parts of movies, clearly fiction. Some people do live in a world of fantasy sometimes from movies and fairy tales.  Little girls all want to be a Princess, whats wrong with that?  

When people see miracle in a shape on their pancakes even I think that a little nutty. But when a real life event can not be explained by science, there is no more proof it was not devine guidance than not. People do believe God interviens or is with them 24/7, whats wrong with that?

Anyway glad you returned, hope you stick around. 

June 3, 2016
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But when a real life event can not be explained by science, there is no more proof it was not devine guidance than not.

Are these unexplained events caused by "God"?...or are they simply caused by something that science cannot yet explain? I'll take Occam's Razor on that one. There used many things in the past that we weren't able to explain, and thus were attributed to "God", but can now be explained with science.

People do believe God interviens or is with them 24/7, whats wrong with that?

If you ask me, it has all the makings of schizophrenia -- to think that something is there with you when it isn't.

To think that you can never have total privacy without thinking something is watching you?...that'd be pretty creepy, man.

Anyway glad you returned, hope you stick around.

I probably won't "stick".....just grease her up every once in a while.

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June 4, 2016
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Maybe  "the mad scientist", has schizophrenia?    

June 5, 2016
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Hi, event and greeney; I'm so delighted to see you posting recently.  Is mean old greeney already trying to argue with you, event? LOL

So short answer, which greeney covered already is a miracle involves something that has happened and a fairy tale is a work of fiction.  Kind of like a long time member, you, coming back to start a thread(miracle) and the essence of that thread is to compare believers in God to schizophrenic behavior(it's a fairy tale, event; better give it up man). LOL!

Christ's resurrection is well documented and the recent movie "Risen" is an excellent theatrical telling of that miracle which, because of what it represents, many consider to be the greatest miracle ever.  Sure no one can decisively prove God's existence, but nobody has decisively proved He doesn't exist either.  Event, do you consider episodes of evil spirits or possession to be something from the supernatural or spirit world or instances where the science just hasn't evolved enough to thoroughly explain it and nothing to do with evil spirits or possession?

Curious to hear your answer; gone for now.

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