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Village creatures anyone?
August 30, 2010
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"Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river. Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks of the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current what each had learned from birth. But one creature said at last, "I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom."

The other creatures laughed and said, "Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumbled and smashed across the rocks, and you will die quicker than boredom!"

But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks. Yet, in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger, cried, "See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the Messiah, come to save us all!" And the one carried in the current said, "I am no more Messiah than you. The river delight to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure.

But they cried the more, "Saviour!" all the while clinging to the rocks, making legends of a Saviour."

My cousin had sent this to me a little more than a week ago, too mystical huh? Laugh

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August 31, 2010
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http://bigthink.com/ideas/19048

Michio Kaku: When I was a child, there was another event that helped to shape the person I was. My parents used to take me to San Francisco to the Japanese Tea Garden, and I used to spend hours watching the carp swimming just beneath the lily pads. And then I asked a question of myself that only a child would ask, and that is, what would it be like to be a fish? What would it be like to be a carp swimming in a two-dimensional world? A very shallow pond where you can only go forward, backwards, left and right, and anyone who would have talked about up, the world of the third dimension, was considered a crackpot. And then I imagined a carp scientist there and I said to myself, what would this scientist say? He would say, "Bah, humbug. Anyone who talks about the third-dimension, the world beyond the Lilly pads, the world beyond the pond, is an idiot because you can only go inside the pond. That is the universe. The universe is only what you can see and touch."

And then I imagined reaching down and grabbing the scientist fish, lifting him up into the world of the third dimension. What would he see? Well, he would see beings moving without fins. A whole new law of physics. Beings breathing without water. A whole new law of biology. And then I imagined putting him back into the pond. What would he tell his fellow fish?

Well today, we physicists believe, but we cannot yet prove that we are the fish. We spent all our life in three-dimensions; going forward, backward, left, right, up, down, but anyone who talks about a higher dimension, the world of up, hyperspace, a dimension beyond what you can see and touch is considered a crackpot. Until recently. And now, of course, some of the world's leading physicists now believe that perhaps there are other dimensions, other universes, other worlds to explore.

And perhaps one day, our machines will give us definitive proof of the existence of hyperspace.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

August 31, 2010
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“There are many examples of old, incorrect theories that stubbornly persisted, sustained only by the prestige of foolish but well-connected scientists. Many of these theories have been killed off only when some decisive experiment exposed their incorrectness.”-michio kaku

“They basically ask their engineers to volunteer some probability figures, then they take the average. This is not science. This is voodoo,”- michio kaku

That guy sounds like a riot, has some good things quoted out there. Laugh

Good story, thanks for sharing, its something I thought of as a kid very often, the whole 'fish in the water'. I'm sure all of us thought of those type of things in our childhood, and look how relative those thoughts were, while we were off in our imaginative world. Its something I contemplate quite often, I believe it is a cause for many things in this world for common people, when we leave our imagination behind us. Many people that have great minds, extremely intelligent, intuitive, etc have their imaginations oppressed to oblige to more minimal standards of their minds ability- I can't even explain how many problems it has caused us in this world that I know of. From physical health to mental health to violence and the flipside of not being able to control the burden of using our imaginations in a world that has limits within it for exploring our lives. The world cannot forever capitalize on this.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 1, 2010
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"at1with0" wrote: http://bigthink.com/ideas/19048

Michio Kaku: When I was a child, there was another event that helped to shape the person I was. My parents used to take me to San Francisco to the Japanese Tea Garden, and I used to spend hours watching the carp swimming just beneath the lily pads. And then I asked a question of myself that only a child would ask, and that is, what would it be like to be a fish? What would it be like to be a carp swimming in a two-dimensional world? A very shallow pond where you can only go forward, backwards, left and right, and anyone who would have talked about up, the world of the third dimension, was considered a crackpot. And then I imagined a carp scientist there and I said to myself, what would this scientist say? He would say, "Bah, humbug. Anyone who talks about the third-dimension, the world beyond the Lilly pads, the world beyond the pond, is an idiot because you can only go inside the pond. That is the universe. The universe is only what you can see and touch."

And then I imagined reaching down and grabbing the scientist fish, lifting him up into the world of the third dimension. What would he see? Well, he would see beings moving without fins. A whole new law of physics. Beings breathing without water. A whole new law of biology. And then I imagined putting him back into the pond. What would he tell his fellow fish?

Well today, we physicists believe, but we cannot yet prove that we are the fish. We spent all our life in three-dimensions; going forward, backward, left, right, up, down, but anyone who talks about a higher dimension, the world of up, hyperspace, a dimension beyond what you can see and touch is considered a crackpot. Until recently. And now, of course, some of the world's leading physicists now believe that perhaps there are other dimensions, other universes, other worlds to explore.

And perhaps one day, our machines will give us definitive proof of the existence of hyperspace.

That's an excerpt from Kaku's 'Hyperspace'. Great read!

http://www.amazon.com/Hyperspace-Scient ... 0385477058

I don't believe what I believe because it's what I desire to believe. I believe what I believe because it's what science, evidence, and logic causes me to believe.

September 1, 2010
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"event_horizon" wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Hyperspace-Scient ... 0385477058

http://isohunt.com/download/207755193/h ... ku.torrent

"it is easy to grow crazy"

September 1, 2010
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Yeah well Event, the title : "and the 10th dimension"-
Did you read the whole book? I want a copy of this book, looks
like it might be a good one! What did you think of it overall?

at1, that isn't some download that is going to crash my browser
now is it? Have you read any of the books? :geek:

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 1, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: Yeah well Event, the title : "and the 10th dimension"-
Did you read the whole book? I want a copy of this book, looks
like it might be a good one! What did you think of it overall?

at1, that isn't some download that is going to crash my browser
now is it? Have you read any of the books? :geek:

It was kind of a joke posting that link...

I've read most of Hyperspace...oddly enough it's what my stalker sent me for my birthday, sitting on my shelf. But I read it years back.. I wish she sent me Parallel Worlds instead.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

September 1, 2010
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Oh I just seen that it was some download, looked like the book isn't it?

You have a stalker that sends you books?
Well you couldn't have minded! Laugh 😕 😯
hmmm thats odd, not sure whats going on there.

So you werent impressed by hyperspace huh.
I think I'd like reading it, maybe I'll check it out,
however I have a stack of books as it is that
I need to get to.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 1, 2010
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"The strength and weakness of physicists is that we believe in what we can measure. And if we can't measure it, then we say it probably doesn't exist. And that closes us off to an enormous amount of phenomena that we may not be able to measure because they only happened once. For example, the Big Bang. ... That's one reason why they scoffed at higher dimensions for so many years. Now we realize that there's no alternative..." michio kaku

"For more than ten years, my theory was in limbo. Then, finally, in the late 1980s, physicists at Princeton said, 'There's nothing wrong with this theory. It's the only one that works, and we have to open out minds to hyperspace.' We weren't destined to discover this theory for another 100 years because it's so bizarre, so different from everything we'd been doing. We didn't use the normal sequence of discoveries to get to it." michio kaku
Describing reaction to his superstring theory of hyperspace which mathematically relates the universe's basic forces.

Thats one heck of a time gap, maybe not the normal sequence of discoveries to get to it, but as it can be said about being closed off to other phenomena, how much was lost being observed and "measured" in the time it took them to get to point a to b. They should start measuring that, and the probabilities of what passes them by in their times of limbo. By the time they get from point a to point b, its all long gone. As if that moment in time stands still or they could make it. Nearly everything in physics travels at the speed of light, yet even that measurement is changing, thats a better sign than anything, their minds are imagining things to move a bit faster. For all we know, Michio kaku saved us alot more than a hundred years. Laugh

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 1, 2010
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Physics of the impossible looks like a good book.

http://books.google.com/books?id=rEK3oO ... &q&f=false

Can't go wrong with science fiction, its the other stuff you have to worry about. 😛

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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