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Some of the contradictions in the bible : 

  1. Thou shalt not kill. —Exodus 20:13

    Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his      brother…companion…neighbor. —Exodus 32:27 

  1. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. —Revelation 8:7

    And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. —Revelation 9:4 

  1. Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord. —Proverbs 12:22

    The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. —I Kings 22:23  

  1. And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month…Nebuzaradan…came…unto Jerusalem… —2 Kings 25:8

    …in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month…came Nebuzaradan…into Jerusalem… —Jeremiah 52:12 

  1. For by grace are ye saved through faith…not of works. —Ephesians 2:8,9

     Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. —James 2:24 

  1. Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. —2 Kings 24:8

    Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem… —2 Chronicles 36:9 

  1. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy…and they shall be your possession…they shall be your bondmen forever. —Leviticus 25:45-46

    Undo the heavy burdens…let the oppressed go free,…break every yoke. —Isaiah 58:6

  1. For I am the Lord; I change not. —Malachi 3:6

    And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. —Exodus 32:14 

  1. For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. —Exodus 20:5

    The Lord is good to all. —Psalms 145:9 

  1. No man hath seen God at any time. —John 1:18

       For I have seen God face to face. —Genesis 32:30 

  1. For every man shall bear his own burden. —Galatians 6:2

       Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. —Galatians 6:2 

  1. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. —Romans 3:23

       There was a man…who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. —Job 1:1 

  1. Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Kings 8:26

       Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Chronicles 22:2 

  1. Submit yourself to every ordinance of man…to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors. —I Peter 2:13

       We ought to obey God rather than men. —Acts 5:29 

  1. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. —Mark 16:2

       The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. —John 20:1 

  1. And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. —Mark 15:25

       …about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-16 

  1. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned… —Romans 5:12

       Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death. —John 8:51 

  1. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. —Genesis 9:3

       It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall. —Romans 14:21 

  1. Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?…And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly… —Matthew 27:13-14

       Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?…Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? —John 18:33-34 

  1. For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about. —1 Kings 7:15

       Also he made before the house two pillars of thirty and five cubits high, and the chapiter that was on the top of each of them was five cubits. —2 Chronicles 3:15 

  1. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4

       Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. —Proverbs 26:5 

  1. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. —Matthew 5:16

       Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. —Matthew 6:1 

  1. And [Judas] cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. —Matthew 27:5

       Now [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. —Acts 1:18 

  1. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. —Matthew 10:34

       These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. —John 16:33 

  1. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark. —Genesis    6:19

      Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. —Genesis 7:2 

  1. And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart… —Matthew 17:1

       And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. —Luke 9:28 

  1. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. —Matthew 26:52

       Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. —Luke 22:36 

  1. Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. —II Samuel 6:23

       But the king took the two sons of Rizpah…and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul. —II Samuel 21:8 

  1. …the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach… —I Timothy 6:15-16

        The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice…clouds and darkness are round about him. —Psalms 97:1-2 

  1. Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: —Proverbs 24:17

        The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. —Psalms 58:1 

  1.  Jesus died for our sins: - Romans 4:25,  1Peter 3:18,  1Corinthians 15:3,  1John 2:2

       No man can die for the sins of another: - Ezekiel 18:1-30,  Deuteronomy 24:16,  Psalm 49:7,  Jeremiah 31:30

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Welcome Ivan, I might be wrong but you might be the first from Puerto Rico to join us. 

I have no doubt that many contradictions can be found in the Bible, or at least accounts of those who did not live by the 10 Commandments, as you start with Thou shalt not kill.  Man in general has certainly not live by that one, nor the other 9 Commandments.  I would hope none of us are killing, but all around us people are dying from any kind of violence from domestic, terrorism, to war itself.  Some even go so far as self defence is also disobeying the Commandment of killing, Not too sure God intended for us all to stand and just let someone take our lives without defending yourself.  

Maybe that is a good contradiction, a burgler is about to take your life, but you are able to defend yourself and kill him instead.  Does God just view this as killing either way, or does God consider the forces of the evil of the burgler vs. the good in the victim who defends himself?  

We live in a world now where Christian/Judeo beliefs are being attacked on a daily basis, much of it by liberal Hollywood, whats "in with the in crowd", what is "normal and not normal", and labeling religous beliefs as antiquated, Homophobic, bigoted, or intolerant. However it is those groups that seem to want some of the 10 Commandment just tossed out, and rendered useless. What do people and shows like Keeping up with the Kardasians emulate? A world of Adultry is normal, a Father of how many being transexual, Rewarding a misguided drug addict with buying him a mansion to live in, and enabling him.  Television is loaded(liberal Hollywood) with everything under the sun to guide us away from religious beliefs of what is right and wrong, what is and is not a sin. Situation comedy, and many drama shows slant the prespective well away from religous beliefs, as if they were invalid. 

Slowly we are becoming a completly Godless society, where the 10 Commandments are so disregarded, our moral fiber is gone. Lying, Cheating, Adultry, is just the status quote, with no shame, just the reward of getting away with it, so it must not be wrong.  Mothers Day alone in Chicago, 9 people were killed and 40 injured in violence in that city alone. Add to all this abuses of drugs, alcohol, women and children, muggings, and every crime you can think of, and its a mess. 

The question is not so much the controdictions in the Bible, but the behavior or the 7 billion people not following 10 simple rules, destroying our civilization, not to mention the planet, by not caring for earth, as we Lie, cheat, and steal.

Where do all the Commandments fit into the abuses of our earth by big companies, the living species becoming extinct in the process. Just in our lifetime, how many have become extinct?  Water ways polluted, rain forests cut down, pesticides, chemicals, nuclear disasters.  

The only controdictions of the bible are man choices that is leding us to the end of this earth as we were blessed with. 

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Thank you for your response. I'm glad to be the first one from PR. 

I don't agree with your statement here, although I respect it. So, you're implying that in order to be a "moral" person or to have some kind of "moral guidance" you have to have religious beliefs or you have to be a Christian or you have to believe in God or you have to follow the 10 Commandments. That is where I found the first issue with the statement. Before go any further, I have to ask... have you read the ENTIRE bible from cover to cover ? If the answer is no, then there's no point in continue my response. I will assume that the answer is yes. 

The 10 Commandments have been presented as the ultimate guide to human morality. But a close inspection reveals that only five have a meaningful impact- do not steal, do not perjure, do not kill, honor your parents, and don’t commit adultery. They should also include the following: No slavery, No child endangerment, No bigotry, No racism, No sexism, No classism, No blackmail or bribery, No discrimination against LGBTQ persons, No incest, No torture or terrorism, No rape, No cruelty to animals...among others. All of them are very, very present throughout the ENTIRE bible and yet people seems to like to "cherry-pick" what they like and ignore the parts they don't like. Also is the fact that the God from the bible is directly or indirectly responsible for around 158 killing events (massacres)…so, I don’t understand how that can be “moral”… I have pasted a link below detailing each one of the events I mentioned above. Christians have been responsible for many of the most horrible crimes and attrocities throughout history in the name of God...like the Medieval Witch Hunts, The Inquisitions, Knights Templar among others...and that is because the bible says so...

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blo.....bible.html

Also, there’s the fact about the correlation between intelligence and religious disbelief. A highly controversial topic is whether atheists tend to be more intelligent than theists.  If so, what does this mean?  A study conducted in 2013 used a meta-analysis of 63 scientific studies and found that 53 showed a reliable correlation between intelligence and a disbelief in supernatural beings. Only 10 showed a neutral or negative correlation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new.....tific.html

Formal education had a significant effect on a person’s belief in Biblical inerrancy. 46% of persons with high school education or less believe that the Bible should be interpreted literally. This dropped to 22% for persons with some college education, and to 15% among college graduates.

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No actually I was never implying that religion is a mandatory ingredient to a good and moral life. I touched on Atheism, because that subject has been discussed over the years here, with several dedicated atheists,who have since left the board.  People who are atheists, can and do live just as moral of lives as those with some religious upbringing.  I have to point out those who debated here were what many regard as militant atheists, where they not simply have a disbelief in God, they are activists attacking anyone that does, in our courts or lives.  I think there is a big difference between the two sides of atheism. 

No, I have not read the Bible from cover to cover, but I would guess more have not, than have. Probably a lot more have not!  Even if I did, study of the Bible is a never ending process, digesting passages, the meaning, if they are historically true, etc.  Bible study groups of all religions have different ideas of meanings, otherwise you would not have so many Christian religions alone. I would venture to guess, we have a lot more self proclaimed Bible experts, than true scholars of the Bible, or Theological experts.  The worst cases may be the newly reborn again Christians, who are as pumped up as Amyway or Herbalife newbys, think they have it all figured out, attacking everyone expecially Catholics. The best cases might be the levels of studys of religions and religious artifacts that are in the Vatican.  In terms of Religious study, I think you would find the most learned, really knowlegable, are in the Vatican archives. I once discussed a nun who did a resentation about the meanings of some of the works of art in the Vatican. She was amazing, and her knowledge was a lifetime of study, just facinating to hear what she said. 

I do think most of the world, gets its moral fiber from parents, how they were raised, healthy exposure to religion(of any Faith), but that is not to say Atheists can not raise good moral children.  

Study of the Bible is either from a literal view or symbolic viewpoint.  Are all these stories actually real events, or were they symbolic in nature?  That was not decided in a basement bible study, most likely came from lifelong in depth studies of artifacts, bits and pieces, inturpeting ancient writings, etc.  The real scholars of religion. 

I have had many debates about religious wars, and equating what wars were caused by religous reasons, which were other causes. The crusades are always used as example.  If you search wars, genocides, famon events of history, you will find religious causes of war, do in fact NOT account for the claims made against religion. Religious wars caused more deaths in the name of God, are not true, from what I found.  Atheists love to claim religions have caused more deaths in wars, as a defence of their atheist beliefs.  Statistically this is not even close to being true.  Just in the 20th century, and all the wars the USA has been in since the 1700's, not one has a religious cause. Deaths of the crusades pales in comparison to WW2, that has nothing to do with a religious cause.  Facts are there are not as many wars with purly religous causes in history, as those that were.   

You name a lot of things that should have been Commandments, but many probably are extentions of the 10.  

The educational level concepts, I guess is a little loaded in that ISIS has to be the best example of oppression from education, allowing someones brain to be only subjected to this single philosophy, in which you have to have a stone age mentality. Any education leds to higher levels of thinking. Somewhere between the ignorant (ISIS) and most learned of minds, we all live in. We all have free will regardless, logic, and minds to decide morality, we are all different, but most know right from wrong regardless of a Bible, Torah, or Koran. 

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Thank you for your response. 

So, you said: "No actually I was never implying that religion is a mandatory ingredient to a good and moral life" but in your previous response you said "Slowly we are becoming a completely Godless society, where the 10 Commandments are so disregarded, our moral fiber is gone" so, in the last sentence you said that the moral fiber is gone because we're a Godless society but in the first one you said the opposite...I'm kind of lost here. Also, I don't believe in attacking anyone, we can simply have a debate to prove/defend our points of view peacefully...that's my personal belief. I like to talk about religion (also about UFOs) but I think when someone start to attack someone then they simply lost they argument.

In your response about the wars, you left out all the conflicts before 1700 and also left out the rest of the planet because your're only pointing out USA. Besides, I never wrote about wars...I said and quote: "Christians have been responsible for many of the most horrible crimes and atrocities throughout history in the name of God" and I said that not because of the number of wars fought, but because the horrible crimes and tortures and death method/devices invented and used for the sole purpose of making people suffer in unexplainable ways in the name of the church/God. It doesn't matter if it was only 1 or 1,000 wars, my point is that many of those horrible events were fueled because the bible says so...like the Medieval Witch Hunts for instance...there are many instructions in the bible given by God himself about how to treat the witches... like Deuteronomy 18:9–12, Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, 1 Chronicles 10:13, Galatians 5:20, Revelation 21:8, Deuteronomy 18:10...among many others.

Let's move to the Commandments... you stated: "You name a lot of things that should have been Commandments, but many probably are extensions of the 10" ok..as far as I know the # 10 is "you shall not covet"...but how the discrimination against LGBT community (Leviticus 20:13 among many others), or the slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46 or Exodus 21:16 or Ephesians 6:5 among many others) or rape (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB, Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB among many others), or child endangerment (Mark 7:8-13, Numbers 31:17, Deuteronomy 2:34, Deuteronomy 28:53, I Samuel 15:3, Hosea 13:16 among many others) or cruelty to animals (Genesis 9:3, Leviticus 24:21, Genesis 1:26, Ecclesiastes 3:18-22 among many others) or torture (Matthew 5:28-29, Matthew 13:41-42, Mark 9:45-46 among many others) or incest (Genesis 4:1–26, Genesis 20:12, Genesis 19:1–38, Exodus 6:20, 2 Samuel 13:1–39 among many others) fit into this # 10 commandment ???? I simply don't know. 

You also said: "We live in a world now where Christian/Judeo beliefs are being attacked on a daily basis, much of it by liberal Hollywood, whats "in with the in crowd", what is "normal and not normal", and labeling religious beliefs as antiquated, Homophobic, bigoted, or intolerant"  So, do you really think that shooting a planned parenthood clinic (killing 3 persons and injuring 9), or trying to make laws to discriminate against transgender or gay people like in the state of NC, or having many millionaires pastors with mansions and private jets while the average person who attends church is doing around 40-50K annually, or having the churches not paying taxes while we have to, or bigotry people entering department stores yelling at everyone that they are going to hell just because who they are ? you think that is normal or an attack on the Christians beliefs ? Besides, what is normal ? That's the problem with Christians...they want to impose to the world what they think is normal... because the bible says so or because they think the bible says so... In fact, religious beliefs are indeed antiquated, homophobic, bigoted and intolerant...I can be here all day long explaining about that. 

About education....well, see for yourself http://www.calamitiesofnature......ive/?c=619

Just think about the most religious countries and who they are and how they're doing vs. the least religions ones and ask yourself the same thing...if your statement about "Slowly we are becoming a completely Godless society, where the 10 Commandments are so disregarded, our moral fiber is gone" were true then the facts and the information presented would be all the way around...the more religious the better you would be...

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I think my responses were generalizaions, as you are doing a lot of specific bible verse quoting, from many places in the Bible.  I'm the wrong guy for that kind of discussion but there are several who can discuss those things with you, with a lot of knowledge. OrangeTom, Qmark, Havabo, several others may jump into this.  Maybe some of the Atheists from past days lurk and will also reappear.  

I mentioned the USA and wars, but I was actually referring to an old debate where I looked up causes of wars in history, to before Christ, and what I found included war statistics, genocides, famons, causes and statistics.

  I think basic Christian/Judeo beliefs are the roots of our laws, obviously many surround the 10 Commandments.  One would have to wonder how our USA founding fathers, who owned slaves, did not inturpet their own writings as we do today. That alone is a pretty big contradiction in defining our Declaration of Independance, Constitution, and Bill of Rights.  Like you say in the 1700's witch hunts, we did some pretty barbaric things.  Maybe we still do, and when you look at some of them, wonder how they were guided by God.  

I used the terms Normal and not Normal for a lack of better terms.  Defining that gets more grey areas than we can count. Some people live black and white lives, cut and dry, others not so much, saying why not to a lot of social taboos.  My parents and grandparents generations were completly different than mine, I'm not sure the changing times have been for the better. The more liberal things get, seems our problems just multiply.  

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I guess the real question is all these things you say are controdictions, how does that affect your life, or issues in your life?  

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ivanrodz,

 

Reading your post...and then replies I am given to ask..if you went to public school and never got past public school thinking.

From time to time posts like yours show up with Xerox like issues all based on the same talking points.'

I do not believe you are accustomed to people being able to think their way  around them

You, like others, are want to use poor logic and reason to cubbyhole others into a corner and think you have made great points.

My take on your posts is that you have to be publically education in emotional instant gratification principles to post the kind of stuff you do here and think no one can see their way around it.

 

Humanism....,

 

Humans are the ultimate reality in the univers..Humans and human values and thinking...Humanists.

This means public schooling.....emotions ..not thinking.

 

Watch this one..from your post or OP here..

 

  They should also include the following: No slavery, No child endangerment, No bigotry, No racism, No sexism, No classism, No blackmail or bribery, No discrimination against LGBTQ persons, No incest, No torture or terrorism, No rape, No cruelty to animals...among others. All of them are very, very present throughout the ENTIRE bible and yet people seems to like to "cherry-pick" what they like and ignore the parts they don't like. Also is the fact that the God from the bible is directly or indirectly responsible for around 158 killing events (massacres)…so, I don’t understand how that can be “moral”… I have pasted a link below detailing each one of the events I mentioned above. Christians have been responsible for many of the most horrible crimes and attrocities throughout history in the name of God...like the Medieval Witch Hunts, The Inquisitions, Knights Templar among others...and that is because the bible says so... 

 

You seem want to forget history in that the other religions were also practicing slavery...even into the 20th century. Very provincial of you.

No sexism...really!!?? Do women practice sexism..even among themselves..classism?? Even in Western Affluent societies?? How about in Communist/Anti God nations...the men too...party members verses non party members. How have the  mighty fallen.... Torture...rape...

 

You seem to think no one knows any history here.

 

Killings....do you even have a clue how many people have been killed by their own government in the Atheistic Non God Believing nations ..the Humanist nations like Soviet Russia...Communist China...or do you think no one in this country knows this information.

 

I have news for you ivanrodz, The anti god nations have been far more brutal and slaughtering of their people than any western nation.

 

You seriously need to research a concept called.... "Democide." Death by ones own government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

 

Notice what the author states..down in the article..this here.

 

 His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the actions of people working for governments than have died in battle.  

 

R. J. Rummel is not a Christian...but he hit the nail on the head historically speaking.

 

For the last 100 years of which he describes is the time of Intellects, logic, reason, educated, Enlightened, Illuminated men running the affairs of the world...nations of the world.

262 million is a lot of people in 100 years and you are want to stick events back in a time warp some where and think no one knows this or can see it for what it is??

 

I will tell you something else that a believer knows ...but non believers do not...

No intelligent thinking rational human being defines themselves by their sexuality and sexual orientation and then expects or demands that other people approve or keep silent.

People define themselves historically by their family lineage, their occupations, or some great work they have done and left to posterity.

A Believer tends to define themselves by the God who lives in them 24/7.

They do not define themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation.

When I see someone doing so or promoting such an position I automatically know how ignorantly uneducated they are.  How uncultured they are.

 

This because I know that proper educated human beings are so much more than sex and sexuality.
I also know that this is never a position someone with your capacity will ever bring up in such an argument.

I have presented this to educated homosexuals and to my surprise they agreed with me. They were at least capable of a modicum of thinking and rationale.

 

I must make haste now but will return to this thread when time constraints allow.

 

You need some serious work ivanrodz. Your posting seems on the surface to make good reason and logic but to those who know history...it is very poorly done.

 

You find that with many non believers ..history is not their strong suit. Sadly with many Beleivers it is also not their strong suit as well. This makes it very easy for such as yourself to "gaslight" them with poor reasoning.

And by the way..this is also what our status of current education is doing to our children..gaslighting them with Atheistic education....Humanism.

 

I 'll be back to check up on this thread at a later date.

 

My thanks to all for their posts,

Orangetom

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Good point OT about the affects of societies that are atheistic, in terms of deaths and brutality to its people. Lennon and Stalin probably slaudered 10s of millions alone.  Makes trivializing a few passages being contradictory petty when you think about it.  History isn't my strong point, but I always wonder when liberals try comparing people like GWB or Trump to Hitler, how assinine the comparisons are.  

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greeney2 said
Good point OT about the affects of societies that are atheistic, in terms of deaths and brutality to its people. Lennon and Stalin probably slaudered 10s of millions alone.  Makes trivializing a few passages being contradictory petty when you think about it.  History isn't my strong point, but I always wonder when liberals try comparing people like GWB or Trump to Hitler, how assinine the comparisons are.    

Greeny2,

I knew many years back that there was something very wrong with the position of many unbelievers but was not sufficiently versed in history and at the same time was not able to connect the dots in what little history I did know.

What I find also of interest is that so many unbelievers adore the gods of science...logic and reason...

Yet the last 100 years is exactly the time of science, logic, and reasonable men running things all around the world. And here we find more people being killed by their own governments and at a faster rate than in years past.

As to Hitler....what the politicians of both sides do with Hitler today is disgusting...verily disgusting.

Whenever they need us to stop thinking..and get on the bandwagon ...over to their political side or persuasion...they invoke the name Hitler to describe their opposition.

I note this right away..when digesting the news..particularly political news.

In this manner Greeny2...these political/social pimps can themselves...create and manufacture  hate for political purposes. Invoking the name Hitler is designed/manufactured to prevent the reader/listener from thinking for themselves and get on the political/social train before it leaves the station.

This is what I call today..public masturbation..someone is trying to emotionally jerk us off for political and sometimes social purposes. Pardon the crudity but when you realize that they are themselves trying to take advantage of us..violate us...you realize how crude they in fact....are.

I cannot begin to count the number of people for whom the media and politics has tried to label Hitler over the years in order to gain a measure of control over an unthinking public.

Or put another way...how many times can you watch the same olde movie.

Do you remember in the last mid term election some woman running for office tried to invoke "The War on Women " against her opposition in one of her speeches. The audience laughed her away.

They got so tired of hearing the same olde mantra..the same olde talking points. Well Hitler has become the same thing once you recognize the pattern. It gets wolfie.

 

I will decided for myself when my emotions get stroked....or lead astray..not the body politic or the news media.

 

Thanks,

Orangetom

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