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February 9, 2015
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hello everyone,

I think about religion and the Bible was a way to let all of us live in peace, behaving well the 'one and the other. I think there is jesus, jesus that was nothing more than an extraterrestrial they who created us and helped us with the evolution of humanity! :pray:

March 18, 2015
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domenicogigliotti1 said
hello everyone,

I think about religion and the Bible was a way to let all of us live in peace, behaving well the 'one and the other. I think there is jesus, jesus that was nothing more than an extraterrestrial they who created us and helped us with the evolution of humanity! :pray:

domenicogigliotti1,

The pattern indicated in the Bible/Word is that Peace is the name of a person...THe Lord Jesus the Christ for remission of sins.

Peace in the Bible/Word does not mean what most humans today think it means..an absence of strife.

 

To say to someone Peace be with you is to say Jesus Christ be with you.

Rest is another of His names...Salem..Prince of Salem/Shalom..Peace. Prince of Peace...He is Peace.

 

Matthew 10:34

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

 

Why is this....because...

John 7:7    The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

 

John 15:19    If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

There is coming a time when this world will come after His people with the Sword as they have done of empires in past history. Some are already doing so today..right now...and planning further.

 

In this manner ..yes..Believing in Him will bring a Sword. For His Word cutteth asunder..and separates from out of this world ..and this is precisely what this world and the god of this world hateth.

 

For this is "The Ever War."

 

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August 12, 2016
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domenicogigliotti1 said
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I think about religion and the Bible was a way to let all of us live in peace, behaving well the 'one and the other. 

Well, there are approximately 158 killing events or massacres in the bible for which God was either directly or indirectly responsible. Christians have consistently ignored the Old Testament portrayal of God’s murderous behavior. Often they claim that the New Testament overrides and replaces the Old Testament, based on the idea that Jesus supplied mankind with a new covenant. But what cannot be denied is that Jesus himself was a student of the Old Testament, firmly believed in it, and warned that it was not to be ignored or discarded. Therefore, Christians must concede that God performed the evil deeds that are documented in the Bible. Otherwise Jesus would have corrected the scriptures and explained that God the Father (or he himself?) did not commit those atrocities. According to Christians, Jesus was God, and he was physically on the earth teaching from the Old Testament.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blo.....bible.html

So, tell me again how the bible is the way to let us live in peace or behave ? A book that threatens everyone with eternal damnation ? People are so well-programmed into this thing that they don't even dare to investigate by their own and just follow blindly what their pastors or priest say without knowing that hell is an invention to control masses. Hell is not discussed in the Old Testament, but that didn’t stop Jesus from announcing it many times in the Gospels, mostly in a very threatening tone. He made sure to let us know that most people will be sentenced there to suffer unending physical pain. A belief in Hell is unavoidable if one is to believe in Jesus. If Hell doesn’t exist, then why would God have allowed it to be so prominently addressed in the Bible? If God is as most Christians claim, all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-powerful, then he would not have allowed a concept so ultimate and absolute as Hell to be documented in the most important scriptures of the faith (the Gospels) if it was not a factual place of post-life punishment.

Any person possessing critical thinking skills can understand that a magnificently powerful god would have no incentive, interest, or even the slightest inclination to inflict pain and suffering on dead people. Hell makes no sense and it represents an ill-fated and entirely avoidable error in the foundation of Christianity.  

August 24, 2016
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domenicogigliotti1.

ivanrodz here makes the same mistake you made in  your OP. He starts from the point or understanding that peace means an absence of strife. This is not true.

 

Peace is the name of a Person...the Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins.

Then ivanrodz proceeds in textbook human logic and reason to list some 158 killings or massacres blamed on God.

What Humanists and Atheists today fail to do is explain why this happened or even today under the leadership of Educated, Enlightened, Illuminated, Sophisticated leadership...educated in Humanism/Atheism...that this is still happening.

The textbook logic and reason applied...with predictability ..is to stick someone back in a time warp ..way back into history ..then here on threads like this ...hold them accountable.

 

They are counting on the concept or understanding that most people do not know much history at all and will never catch the con job they are trying to put over on others...to cause them shame...dissonance...and not be able by their tactic..to defend a position.

 

They would be correct for most people...not all.

 

What people like ivanrodz and others fail to teach you is that there was a blood war going on in the Olde Testament...between the Pagan/Luciferian variations of the Ancient Mystery religions..and the Hebrew People.

The Hebrew people were instructed by God to go into these nations and often to kill everyone...even the animals..for the people had gone so far downhill in their religions that they had defiled themselves with their animals. They had defiled themselves with their children too.

This history is not told to the readers by the likes of ivanrodz..and others. It is not even taught today by man Ministers and it should be...for the debauchery it is.

This is the pattern of conduct known to be followed by "The Fallen."

It is also the pattern of conduct being followed by our leadership today. They are leading our people down this path.

This is the reason the Hebrew people were told not to do as the nations surrounding them did...for they had defiled the very land on which they dwelled.

This is the reason for the slaughter in the way it is recorded in the Olde Testament. And the Hebrew people were not to have anything to do with this pattern of conduct.

This was a blood war..going on in the Olde Testament.

 

The reason for this blood war...was not to taint the lineage of the coming Messiah...The blood line of the Messiah was too be pure..meaning without sin.

This is obvious when one reads about Noah and his sons and their wives....that the world had become so corrupted that there were only 8 people left who had not been corrupted...

From Genesis 6:9

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These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

 

Now today's educated people would read this and think..."Racism."

This would be an example of how stupid people have been "Dumbed Down."

 

What this passage is speaking about is that Noah and his sons were perfect..without the sin/sins of which everyone else living on earth had done...slept with the fallen demons..and practiced the corrupted demonic religions..

They had gone so far as to sleep with animals and everything else they could imagine.

We see this pattern repeated again in the chapters dealing with Sodom and Gomorrah...and why God destroyed those cities as wel..but pulled His People out of there as he had done with Noah and his family.

 

This is a blood war..and  it is still going on under the name..."The Ever War."

 

And people like ivanrodz and others..by intellect..by reason, by logic...are trying to obfuscate, hide, and conceal what happened back then with their twisted logic and reason.

It makes good logic and reason if you have never been taught...or do not know  history.

If you do ...it does not make good nonsense.

 

Someone out here today ..is trying to cause division...in everything..male/female relations, by race...by religion, by custom, by tradition...

All the while trying to insert and overlay human history and tradition with another religion ..another custom, another tradition...a counterfeit tradition which when examined closely ..does not make good nonsense. They are trying to spread confusion..counting on the concept that you have never been taught the history. They would be correct for most people.

 

They are trying to spread confusion ...while playing the same olde political blame game..and a predictable game at that .

There are those of us who know the name of the counterfeiter. the liar, the deceiver...the author of confusion ..by name.

And we are not ignorant of the history.

His name is Lucifer.

 

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August 24, 2016
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Ivanrodz states " Any person possessing critical thinking skills can understand".  

We have gone down this path with several others who have an atheist agenda on the board, over the years.  Same buzzwords!  Something started by the atheist Guru Richard Dawkins, with every argument under the sun about "logic and critical thinking", and arguments about Faith. Not sure why the motive of militant atheists seems to be a mission to break the Faith of those who believe.  Maybe someone can answer what is in the mind of an atheist who would seek to steal a soul?  Even if you were a devout atheist, why would you want to do that to anyone who has lived their life with Faith and believe in God, the message of Jesus, and what is taught about eternal life?  OT and I differ on many things, but on this I'm sure we agree. 

Ivanrodz You might notice that the world has many different Christian religions, all have the same basis from the Bible basic beliefs, so you might ask, why so many?  You think all these religions do not have critical thinkers (for the lack of better terms) to have studied centuries, and have lifelong scolars, to know the theology of all world religions?  They have a calling, they dedicate their lives to it, many become ordained into one religion or another. You don't think these people have any logic to their thinking, or are not critical thinking people. Their lives is dedicated to saving souls, atheists do not believe in a soul.  Christianity has many things that differ, and its all in how they inturpet the same Bible. 

August 24, 2016
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I think about how religion maimed and killed people who disagreed with religious opinion. I hope to see it all ground into the dirt. What a load of manure.

August 25, 2016
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It is certainly true that there are killings from religious extremists, we have a President afraid to call it like it is.  What is a complete misconception, if you search causes of wars in history, you will find the numbers of deads in wars, very few are religious in nature. Even the numbers of the crusades, pale in comparison to WW1 or WWW2 that are clearly not religious motivated.  There are not very many wars classifed as caused by religion or religious wars. 

August 27, 2016
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Greeny2,

 

 

Ivanrodz states " Any person possessing critical thinking skills can understand".  

We have gone down this path with several others who have an atheist agenda on the board, over the years.  Same buzzwords!  Something started by the atheist Guru Richard Dawkins, with every argument under the sun about "logic and critical thinking", and arguments about Faith. Not sure why the motive of militant atheists seems to be a mission to break the Faith of those who believe.  Maybe someone can answer what is in the mind of an atheist who would seek to steal a soul?  Even if you were a devout atheist, why would you want to do that to anyone who has lived their life with Faith and believe in God, the message of Jesus, and what is taught about eternal life?  OT and I differ on many things, but on this I'm sure we agree. 

Ivanrodz You might notice that the world has many different Christian religions, all have the same basis from the Bible basic beliefs, so you might ask, why so many?  You think all these religions do not have critical thinkers (for the lack of better terms) to have studied centuries, and have lifelong scolars, to know the theology of all world religions?  They have a calling, they dedicate their lives to it, many become ordained into one religion or another. You don't think these people have any logic to their thinking, or are not critical thinking people. Their lives is dedicated to saving souls, atheists do not believe in a soul.  Christianity has many things that differ, and its all in how they inturpet the same Bible.  

 

Definitely Greeny2..I agree with you here...definitely.

 

I disagree with you here...

 

 It is certainly true that there are killings from religious extremists, we have a President afraid to call it like it is.  What is a complete misconception, if you search causes of wars in history, you will find the numbers of deads in wars, very few are religious in nature. Even the numbers of the crusades, pale in comparison to WW1 or WWW2 that are clearly not religious motivated.  There are not very many wars classifed as caused by religion or religious wars.  

 

WW1 and WW2 were definitely religiously motivated. It is just not a religion for which most people would recognize. There have been other wars with the same religious motivations.....but not known even by the people heavily involved in fighting them.

 

When I saw the surrender of the Japanese to the Allies on the Battleship Missouri..in Tokyo Bay in 1945...I had watched that video many many times growing up..but one day after reading on Occult religions.....I was stunned to realize that I was watching a Masonic Lodge..surrendering to another Masonic Lodge. The same pattern which happened in WW1. In the American Civil War...and other wars and conflicts.

The Nazis are an occult lodge too.

 

The Orangemen in Ireland and the Catholics ..is one lodge against another lodge. The Protestant Orangemen against the Catholic Lodge.

 

The wars in Italy in the 1840 and into the 1870s when Giuseppe  Garibaldi...fought in Europe and finally the take over of the Vatican by the lodges in 1870..with the Masonic Parade of the lodges marching in front of the Vatican ..in all their finery...a little known piece of history. This too was a religious war...one in which the true nature of the religions are not desired to be known by most of the public...the profane.....verses the Adepts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Garibaldi

 

Islam is a lodge too...and not one in which most would recognize. I believe it is being used/misused by lodges in the west for political purposes.

 

There is a war going on out here...the likes of which most people cannot even imagine is going on.

The very nature of which is hidden and concealed from most people educated into this system.

 

It is The Ever War.

 

and it continues unto this day.

 

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August 28, 2016
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I see from the quote, I got too many WWW's on WW2!

You never cease to amaze me OrangeTom, how you deduct some things. John produced a show called "Hitler and the occult".  He also did something about Masonic symbols in Washington. No secret George Washington is picutred in Masonic garb.  I admit do not know much about Masonic things, but making that jump to the Japanese Surrender, not sure if thats really true or a bit of a stretch.  But as you say, if its is a religion, not something very well recognized, so I stand by thinking even though Hilter exterminated 6,000,000 jews and there was that religous aspect, it was still not a religous war per sa, nor was Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. 

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Greeny2,

 

About the Japanese surrender. I too was quite shocked when I realized fully what it was I was observing. It was the same stunning realization ....when I saw the Irish Orangemen marching down the streets in the Catholic Neighbors. I stood there with my mouth hanging open..sort of like in the Stephen Spielburg movies...you see them there with their mouths open in stunning shock. Well that was me when I became more fully awake.

 

The formal uniform of a lodge is a tuxedo, top hat and gloves.

What you see in the surrender videos is the civilian represenatives in the Japanese delegation wearing a tuxedo, top hat and gloves. The military members of course wear their uniform and surrender their swords in the time honored manner. But it was the civilian members who were doing the actual surrendering. They are the lodge...surrendering to the Allied lodge headed up by a lodge member...Douglas McArthur.

The burial Tomb and museum of Douglas McArthur is right across the river from me...in Norfok, Virginia. He was a Shriner.

WW1..King of England...Order of the Garter, Tsar of Russia...Maltese order of Masonic Knighthood...Kaiser Wilhelm...Grand Orient Lodge...all of them cousins by way of Queen Victoria.

 

I would like to know what lodge it is to which Kadaffi and Saddam Hussein belonged.

 

I believe that the Muslim Brotherhood is a lodge at the top levels. In this it is protected by our government.

 

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