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PTSD A spiritual perspective
February 22, 2011
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"When it happens that the heart, mind, and body become overloaded with negative impressions concerning events that they are subject to while in a state of helplessness or necessary conformity to the circumstances at hand, then conditions are ripe for the inner disorder that has come to be known as 'post traumatic stress disorder' (PTSD).

PTSD is not primarily a disorder of the mind, though it may appear as such, but rather a disorder of the heart that no longer feels capable of dealing with the helplessness that it has had no way of preventing. This helplessness, while in a state of moderate intensity, can produce a numbing of all the emotions of heart and body so that one can live through the experience. But when conditions change and the external situation is no longer present or no longer as stressful, or, when numbing is no longer effective, then the release of what has been encapsulated can occur without any warning, and suddenly, what was a successful way of coping with distress, becomes unsuccessful.

PTSD is not a disease of the body. Nor is it a disease of the mind. Rather, it is a symptom of the limitation of a heart that has been stretched to its limit in order to regulate the emotions of fear, confusion, rage, and helplessness brought about by a circumstance or circumstances that it could not prevent. Under normal conditions, the heart has a way of taking instruction from the mind so that it receives guidelines about what to believe about such circumstances and how to hold them in a way that gives them believability and credibility. But under the circumstance of severe and ongoing trauma or of a single traumatic incident of great intensity, the heart no longer believes that there is any explanation that is credible for what it is feeling or perceiving, and no longer knows how it will survive the need to continue enduring what cannot be explained. This is a perception of the heart rather than the mind, for the mind may hold explanations, but these do not appear to make a difference to the heart.

Often, one who has experienced severe trauma - whether on a battlefield, in a violent or cruel relationship, as a victim of sudden brutality, terror, or horror, or, as a witness of severe violence done to others - first becomes numb to these circumstances as a way of turning down the volume of nervous system overload that is a result of the situation. However, when numbing is not possible, either because the situation continues without let-up at the same high level of intensity and the body's fear responses are continuously activated, or, because the sense of disbelief and shock have already taken hold, and one has already begun to feel that nothing makes sense, symptoms of PTSD can begin to be observed.

The violence and horror that are the general precursors to PTSD can occur in many forms. They can occur through one's own being the subject of cruelty, abuse, or horror, or they can occur through witnessing someone else or a group of others in this role. The heart, having come to the end of its capacity to tolerate the pain of its own experience, begins to look for ways to compensate for the amount of distress it is feeling so that its very survival can continue.

The spiritual context in which PTSD develops is an outgrowth of the emotional, for the powerful emotional resonance of PTSD produces a separation of the lower emotional body from the higher, so that an infusion of light from the higher Self which might otherwise transform the situation and make it more bearable, becomes difficult or impossible. For many who experience traumatic situations, the experience, in retrospect, is one in which the individual does not know how they got through it, feeling that something unknown took over that made survival possible. This 'something' is often a transfusion of spiritual energy from the higher energy bodies into the heart center so that more capacity exists to deal with the present circumstances. Such a transfusion of light occurs in many instances of difficulty for individuals, for each soul who is severely challenged in life is being helped from the soul level of their being as well as by other beings of light who may be assisting. Nevertheless, where the heart has become enveloped with its own pattern of resonance with energies of terror, despair, confusion, anger or helplessness, it can happen that the higher bodies cannot gain access to the level of the physical self in order to further self-healing. As a result, the physical self who experiences the results of trauma can come to feel that there is no way to relieve it.

There are many forms of treatment that have been refined, today, for post traumatic stress disorder, and also many who are in need of this help. The spiritual incorporation of greater light into the body and heart would add to these, the possibility for creating a bridge of light and healing so that the woundedness of the heart could be held in a different energy than the one it is presently resonating with. This practice of alignment with the higher levels of oneself, carried out regularly, can serve the purposes of healing, enabling many more to find their way back from traumatic situations than can occur at the present time. It is also true that in a future in which such separation of energy bodies might take place, there would be enough transmitted light so that the seamless reconstruction of the pathways between upper and lower bodies could take place as a normal part of the maintenance processes of the entire spiritual-physical being.

For now, both the current ways of addressing PTSD and the incorporation of light from the spiritual dimension are effective means of addressing the healing needs of PTSD, the latter by increasing the joining of the physical self with the self-of-light so that a new energy can enter the picture and alter the disabling conditions from within. Until such time as changes on the world scene make this disorder a thing of the past, 'post traumatic stress disorder' will best be viewed as a spiritual-emotional disorder related to the time we are in, with dire consequences for the many who are suffering greatly from its effects."

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/post-tra ... ctive.html

There is physical war, there is spiritual war.

I suppose people on spiritual paths encounter post traumatic stress eh?
So when I get a little stressful, must be the trauma. :mrgreen: 😕

Any ideas on this?

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February 24, 2011
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I'm a bit skeptical of the contents of the article, though it at least serves to raise awareness of PTSD.

"the incorporation of light from the spiritual dimension are effective means of addressing the healing needs of PTSD, the latter by increasing the joining of the physical self with the self-of-light so that a new energy can enter the picture and alter the disabling conditions from within."

I wonder how effective that would be on someone who is having a flashback-induced panic attack as compared to an anxiolytic drug. It's interesting to note that anxiolytics can be effective at subduing the symptoms if PTSD has nothing to do with the body (or mind). Compare that with an antispychotic that subdues the symptoms of what has been considered a case of demonic possession. Why would drugs have any effect on what is a spiritual issue?

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February 24, 2011
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Thats a good question, 'why would drugs have any effect on what is a spiritual issue'.

One lesson I've learned whether its a spiritual matter or not, is if a schizophrenic ever asks you if you want some of their medication, just say yes...or something like yeah sure what ya got? Laugh

But my point being to adding this article is, PTSD, contraction and expansion,
lets see how much the world can handle this after some of us thats all
we've been doing our entire life.

PTSD is taking a new turn, a new look. A reap what you sow kind of look
out there. Some of us have had enough PTS, enough contraction
and expansion that its just no longer needed for us....but we're
the sharing kind of people even if we didn't want to be, guess
it just comes natural.

"PTSD is not a disease of the body. Nor is it a disease of the mind. Rather, it is a symptom of the limitation of a heart that has been stretched to its limit in order to regulate the emotions of fear, confusion, rage, and helplessness brought about by a circumstance or circumstances that it could not prevent."

Same people aren't feeling so helpless. Who is going to find circumstances that they could
not prevent, won't be the same people that have.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 26, 2011
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"sandra" wrote: Same people aren't feeling so helpless. Who is going to find circumstances that they could not prevent, won't be the same people that have.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the soul itself is invulnerable and immune to disease; what becomes diseased is the mind and body.
The word disease looks like it has its roots in the whole mind-over-matter phenomena. The word breaks down into dis - ease. Could it be that dis ease can cause cancer like a hypnotized person can raise blisters on their skins? Dis ease is then principally a condition of the mind. Since the mind affects the body, what affects the mind affects the body.

I told a friend of mine that seroquel was pharmaceutical grade lsd he almost ran away.

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February 27, 2011
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I've always thought PTSD is what happens when a nervous system is completely overwhelmed.
Fried. One of the things that can happen , anyway.
There's always a breakdown. A mental colapse.
This article was interesting because PTSD like any disease or disorder is suppose to have some spiritual, non physcial (as we know physical) connection
Gonna go back over it againlater (since I have PTSD issues)
I have always wondered if PTSD is related to OCD..or if people with OCD-like impulses are more prone to develop PTSD than others.
I am, can be pretty OCD..and deal with PTSD...quasi PTSD over some stuff that has gone on in my life
It's weird the various things that can throw someone off their rails.

It's strange how one horrible thing that you might have gone through, or witnessed...seemingly'... didn't affect you too much..but then another thinghappens..that may not, from the outside, seem as awful..that thing sets you off..strange (it could be a tipping point thing, too..that brings it on..various things..over time..building up..then a trigger event)

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

March 2, 2011
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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="sandra"]Same people aren't feeling so helpless. Who is going to find circumstances that they could not prevent, won't be the same people that have.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the soul itself is invulnerable and immune to disease; what becomes diseased is the mind and body.
The word disease looks like it has its roots in the whole mind-over-matter phenomena. The word breaks down into dis - ease. Could it be that dis ease can cause cancer like a hypnotized person can raise blisters on their skins? Dis ease is then principally a condition of the mind. Since the mind affects the body, what affects the mind affects the body.

I told a friend of mine that seroquel was pharmaceutical grade lsd he almost ran away.

The mind experiences what the heart creates. Thats an important one.
Sounds simple- can learn about it forever.

It is heart over mind over matter.

On spiritual journey hardest initiation is learning things of the heart.

How we feel our way through things truly does matter.

Have to remember knowledge is nothing without Love.
What is anything without a divine heart to guide it.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

March 2, 2011
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ith PTSD.So,as you asked,I'll share.If you've kept up with bits and pieces I've dropped,you'll get what I;m saying about just my exp,not the whole of its possibilities.

Anyway

This person I was helping recover from lifelong depression and suicidal" death fantasies" had many markers of PTSD.For a while,as I was learning the mind and the "colds" it can catch,PTSD matched her souls description of her state of being,her minds health .The symptoms matched PTSD perfectly yet she has never seen war,how could she get "shell shock" as they call PTSD?We(her and I) couldn't figure how how,why..Puzzling.She suffered actual physical numbness,anywhere large groups of fine nerves exist.Fingertips,personal areas,etc.Thought it was "just her" cause its always been that way for her,since she was born she thinks.

Well,in a "trance like state,I ask why "she say her mom scare her,terrified her,one day" I know her moms a mean MF'r myself but never new anything about this behaviour,neither did victim.Tells me she grabbed her by the face alot,pinched squezzed,hurt.But the words she told this 2-4 year ol.."I hate you,wwish you were never born","I wish you would just DIE" etc,then later,while drunk(lifelong) get physically aggressive.2+2=4 to a child I think,I tell you I wish you would die and then grab your throat and get real close to your face,you think I AM going to kill you.

So to shorten it,she was sure she was about to die and so intense,OVERWHEMING fear(warzone PTSD) took over.Fight or flight.She says to live,survive,she has the "outer her" grab the inner her and go hide her from the danger.Its the overwhelming part that gets them and some fall to it/some do not.But at 4?No chance.So by hiding herself,her emotional center,the piece,the thing that "feels" and regulates the amount and flow of emotion was hidin from self,in an effort for it to survive.It calls itself "the emotional core" and it thinks seperately from the outer self,the "shell" its called.Anyway this is how she was able to get PTSD.From overwheming fear and a bad choice made in this rash descision based in terror.For safety,it thought once the shell was dead from murder,the core thought it could just get up and live on.It knew it could Live without its shell.It can,think after death.

Now in hiding it,she lost it,went back into her own mind and couldn't find it.Thats were panic attacks come from.She had them daily her whole life.That piece,missing that creates "numbness" in PTSD.They never know were their panic attacks come from,thats why.The core feels panic,lost in the dark.Can't be found and its terrified like a child.You no longer know its there so you feel its feelings but don't know it exists,gone since you were 4 yrs old,see? So,you still feel it and its panicking like a b#tch an you still FEEL it,like a mysterious ghost you want to run from yet there is no threat near you,so she just assumed she was crazy.

She literally,at 4,split herself,her mind,her personality,into 2 pieces.In a childs attempt,creativity and understanding of "safety".But without the safe,hidden piece she became dead.Emotions wide open with no regulator.Physical numbness,Racing thoughts,confusion and depression.You name a symptom of PTSD and she had it..Still says all the time now "my fingers are tingling,it tickles.My back pf my head is tingling at the base and middle of back of skull."But it feels good not bad.And many other examples of sensations in nerves never felt before by her,in her mind never but she had,just been a long time.Like her depression and her love of the idea of suicide,as proven in the sheer numbers of war vets that kill themself once they come home.The numbness helps with the trauma the mind has gone through.It helps the horror the emotions endure after war and what that means.But in the end,you cant pick and choose which and when you "feel" emotions.Its an all or none proposition.And the pain the emotions are feeling in PTSD,none is the only answer.Sadly though,none or no emotional feeling is a fancy word for dead.The walking dead,.It even eventualy starts to numb off the fine touch the physical is supposed to feel.Like wrappin you in a body binding.Or a string too tight around your finger,that also tingles when re-enlivened.One must face the horrors of that original trauma(if old enough to remember) accept them in order to reunite the 2 cores into One at which time the feeling comes back to the whole.Inner and outer being.If not?They will desire death eventually as they know they aren't alive anyway.They FEEL dead,cause they are.

Just my thoughts and awareness of the inner workings of PTSD.Its a real bugger.

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What you're calling heart I would consider to be the center or core of mind, and I agree.

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"b0nez" wrote: ith PTSD.So,as you asked,I'll share.If you've kept up with bits and pieces I've dropped,you'll get what I;m saying about just my exp,not the whole of its possibilities.

Anyway

This person I was helping recover from lifelong depression and suicidal" death fantasies" had many markers of PTSD.For a while,as I was learning the mind and the "colds" it can catch,PTSD matched her souls description of her state of being,her minds health .The symptoms matched PTSD perfectly yet she has never seen war,how could she get "shell shock" as they call PTSD?We(her and I) couldn't figure how how,why..Puzzling.She suffered actual physical numbness,anywhere large groups of fine nerves exist.Fingertips,personal areas,etc.Thought it was "just her" cause its always been that way for her,since she was born she thinks.

Well,in a "trance like state,I ask why "she say her mom scare her,terrified her,one day" I know her moms a mean MF'r myself but never new anything about this behaviour,neither did victim.Tells me she grabbed her by the face alot,pinched squezzed,hurt.But the words she told this 2-4 year ol.."I hate you,wwish you were never born","I wish you would just DIE" etc,then later,while drunk(lifelong) get physically aggressive.2+2=4 to a child I think,I tell you I wish you would die and then grab your throat and get real close to your face,you think I AM going to kill you.

So to shorten it,she was sure she was about to die and so intense,OVERWHEMING fear(warzone PTSD) took over.Fight or flight.She says to live,survive,she has the "outer her" grab the inner her and go hide her from the danger.Its the overwhelming part that gets them and some fall to it/some do not.But at 4?No chance.So by hiding herself,her emotional center,the piece,the thing that "feels" and regulates the amount and flow of emotion was hidin from self,in an effort for it to survive.It calls itself "the emotional core" and it thinks seperately from the outer self,the "shell" its called.Anyway this is how she was able to get PTSD.From overwheming fear and a bad choice made in this rash descision based in terror.For safety,it thought once the shell was dead from murder,the core thought it could just get up and live on.It knew it could Live without its shell.It can,think after death.

Now in hiding it,she lost it,went back into her own mind and couldn't find it.Thats were panic attacks come from.She had them daily her whole life.That piece,missing that creates "numbness" in PTSD.They never know were their panic attacks come from,thats why.The core feels panic,lost in the dark.Can't be found and its terrified like a child.You no longer know its there so you feel its feelings but don't know it exists,gone since you were 4 yrs old,see? So,you still feel it and its panicking like a b#tch an you still FEEL it,like a mysterious ghost you want to run from yet there is no threat near you,so she just assumed she was crazy.

She literally,at 4,split herself,her mind,her personality,into 2 pieces.In a childs attempt,creativity and understanding of "safety".But without the safe,hidden piece she became dead.Emotions wide open with no regulator.Physical numbness,Racing thoughts,confusion and depression.You name a symptom of PTSD and she had it..Still says all the time now "my fingers are tingling,it tickles.My back pf my head is tingling at the base and middle of back of skull."But it feels good not bad.And many other examples of sensations in nerves never felt before by her,in her mind never but she had,just been a long time.Like her depression and her love of the idea of suicide,as proven in the sheer numbers of war vets that kill themself once they come home.The numbness helps with the trauma the mind has gone through.It helps the horror the emotions endure after war and what that means.But in the end,you cant pick and choose which and when you "feel" emotions.Its an all or none proposition.And the pain the emotions are feeling in PTSD,none is the only answer.Sadly though,none or no emotional feeling is a fancy word for dead.The walking dead,.It even eventualy starts to numb off the fine touch the physical is supposed to feel.Like wrappin you in a body binding.Or a string too tight around your finger,that also tingles when re-enlivened.One must face the horrors of that original trauma(if old enough to remember) accept them in order to reunite the 2 cores into One at which time the feeling comes back to the whole.Inner and outer being.If not?They will desire death eventually as they know they aren't alive anyway.They FEEL dead,cause they are.

Just my thoughts and awareness of the inner workings of PTSD.Its a real bugger.

Sounds like you were able to truly help out someone with PTSD. :thumbup:
A few years ago, I had a possible case of PTSD whose symptoms have decreased over time. I count myself fortunate that I know what events caused the symptoms, though they can occur without warning occasionally to this day (such as during sleep). A real bugger indeed.

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"at1with0" wrote: What you're calling heart I would consider to be the center or core of mind, and I agree.

The things of the mind we most often do not want to look at.
Yes I would agree that we agree. It is in my nature as well
many times to just group it into one. Not everyone however
has their mind tuned into their hearts or to others. Or as well
could be said that there are just several frequencies in doing so.

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