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July 29, 2010
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I had an interesting thought just a little while ago.

If I had to sum up the entire Law of the Bible, both old and new, I could say this:

The Old Law was "do unto others as they have done unto you," whereas the New Law is, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

One is reaction, while the other is preemptive action. The old, inferior law was based on what someone has done to you, and what you were entitled to do to them (or get from them) in return. The old "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" routine. But in the new, superior law, we are simply instructed to preempt another's actions by giving them love and kindness first. Even if they wrong you; rather than seeking revenge or justice... instead give them a kind gesture in return.

Think about it. The end result after return with a kind gesture is either (a) they return a kind gesture to you and a wonderful cycle begins, or (b) they simply leave you alone. But in either case, you have broken the endless cycle of getting each other back. I guess there is an option (c) they do something mean to you again, but that would be very rare, wouldn't you say.

Oddly, what led to all this was I was thinking about the endless cycle of spite and malice between the Conservative and Liberal parties in our government. The Conservatives had control years ago. They took advantage and pushed a lot of right-wing policies through. In return, the Democrats seized power and now they are pushing through a Socialist agenda without a care at all if they Republicans agree or have other ideas. And so guess what. The Republicans, when they gain power, are going to "get the Democrats back" and push a bunch of extreme right wing policies through and will enjoy it all the more if the Liberals cry about it. And so the cycle goes, endlessly. And it reminded me of the old law, and etc.

Anyway I thought that one-sentence explanation of the biblical law, old and new, was sorta neat.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

July 29, 2010
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I would have to say your option C is not as rare as you would think. Returning a wrong with a kindness does not always increase the chance of kindness in return as one would hope. Many people, as soon as they see they can get away with doing wrong to someone will continue to do wrong to someone until that someone does something in return to hold them accountable. Unfortunate but true in my experiences.

July 29, 2010
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An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Jesus said that, didn't he?

I agree the new law is superior. If the Old Testament didn't exist there's a chance I might be a Christian. But we don't get to pretend the old law is not in the Bible. At best, I would make a hypocritical Christian for ignoring the old law's existence.

If we lived in a Christian theocracy, I would say let God punish who he wants to punish and let men do no punishing on God's behalf. When people are a public hazard, lock them away in a jail but not out of punishment, which is the purview of God alone, but as a public safety issue.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 29, 2010
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Well said at1with0... (Jesus didn't say that btw, but it's a cool line nonetheless)

Rollin, responding to someone who wrongs you... with a kind gesture, (not just simple kindness, but to go out of your way to do something special for them), should lead to (a) or (b). But I guess you are right, there are many who would take advantage of acts of kindness, but obviously it wouldn't make much sense or them to act hostile or outwardly wrong the person they want to take advantage of. However in the situation where someone continually wrongs someone who is kind to them, obviously the kind gestures should cease and they just be left alone.

Good counterpoint though. It does happen a lot, I just didn't think of that kind of relationship (freeloader vs giver)

The context I was thinking of was not the freeloader vs. giver but instead the neighbor who does something mean to you. Instead of responding in like manner, if you do them a personal, kind gesture, you are virtually guaranteed to either make a new friend or convince them to leave you alone.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

July 29, 2010
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My friend used to say... don't confuse my kindness for weakness.

For whatever that's worth Laugh

"it is easy to grow crazy"

September 2, 2010
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😛 Being kind is always the route to go, at1 that reminds me of the passage

love your enemies ....something something...and pile heaping
coals over their head. Something like that.

I think through Gods grace we are able to love even more.
Sometimes I have to have patience, trust when
I least want to, and gain strength where I need it.
Even if we have received alot of Gods grace, its not always
easy. When god loves us, sometimes that can
come as a beating from the world, so we fall back into
the right hands. Suffer a little and gain what goes
a much longer ways.

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September 2, 2010
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God did not create the universe, says Hawking

LONDON (Reuters) – God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.

In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.

"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.

Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_.....in_hawking

Bring Em All Home Cole

September 2, 2010
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Hawking rocks, but I did not realize he was 68 now! That's awesome, he was supposed to be dead decades ago.

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September 2, 2010
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I wonder how Hawking will try to explain that one away when he stands before his creator. Laugh

September 2, 2010
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"qmark" wrote: I wonder how Hawking will try to explain that one away when he stands before his creator. Laugh

Laugh Laugh Laugh !!!!!!!

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