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Male cult or temple prostitution in bible times
July 13, 2011
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"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22.

"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death...." Leviticus 20:13

The two references in Leviticus are the only direct references to homosexuality in the Old Testament.

And in reality it only applies to male Jews, since only males are addressed, and since Christians consider themselves in a state of grace, not under the law

Just as in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, one must look at the cultural setting in which Letivicus was written, the words used, and the context to truly understand what the Scripture is talking about.

Here a swell as in many other places in both parts of the Scriptures, the cultural and contextual condemnation is of idolatry.
These passages are denouncing other forms of cultic worship.

When homosexual activity is mentioned in the Old Testament, the authors of the text scriptures had male worshipers having sex with male prostitutes provided by temple authorities.

Male cult or temple prostitution was enormously popular during all the period of Scripture and seemed to have been awfully attractive to many of the Hebrews, leading to the demand in Deuteronomy 23:17-18:

None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute. You shall not bring the hire of harlot or the wages of a dog into the house of the Lord your God..., for both of these are an abomination to the Lord your God.

Male priests of the Great Goddess were called dogs by the Hebrews.
Archeologists have found a fourth century B.C. Phoenician inscription found on Cyprus refering to a category of temple personnel who played a role in the sacred service of Astarte, identifies the kelev (dog) as a religious functionary.
The Sumerogram a picture-word for assinu, was a male-homosexual cult prostitute...
Hittite, Babylonian and Assyrian texts refer to these male prostitutes they describe picture text assinu and kurgarru as religious functionaries particularly associated with the goddess Ishtar, who danced, played musical instruments, wore masks, and were considered effeminate.These functionaries were believed to have magical powers... 'if a man touches the head of an assinu, he will conquer his enemy'... 'if a man has intercourse with an assinu, trouble will leave him.'"

Sumerian priests, held titles which, translated literally, meant "'womb', 'penis-anus,' and 'anus-womb.'... Sumerian preistesses were called assinutum.... Babylonian and Assyrian cuneiform texts assert that 'the high priestess will permit intercourse per anum in order to avoid pregnancy.

During Roman And Christian rule, the Great Goddess and her eunuch priests attracted many worshippers. Lucian, in The Syrian Goddess, described how the Galli, the eunuch priests of the Goddess, would "'...sing and celebrate their orgies... On the other hand, your average male worshipper would simply have sex with the male priests to offer his semen to the goddess.

The Bishop of Caesarea, Eusebius 260-340 A.D wrote in The Life of Constantine that the goddess worshipers still held homosexual cult worship on Mount Lebanon. (

The reality is that culturally, the Hebrews were surrounded by religious worship which involved the use of male homosexual practices in In contextreligious practices.

Leviticus 18:21 reads: Neither shall you give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech....
The verses which follow 18:22 read: Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.

Other scriptures which specifically forbid male cultic prostitution, Deuteronomy; 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12:, 22:46, 2 Kings 23:7), use the same word as is used in Leviticus 18 and 20.

A very important factor and key to understanding the context is the word abomination.

In Hebrew, the word "to 'evah," (abomination) is almost invariably linked to idolatry.

In the passages from which both verses are taken, Yahweh God tells Moses to tell the people not to follow the idolatrous practices of the people around them, people who sacrificed their children to Molech, or who masturbated into the fire to offer their semen to Molech, for example.
Chapter 20 starts off with the same warning.

"To 'evah" also means "something which is ritually unclean," not something evil in itself, like rape or theft. Eating pork or having sex during menstruation are ritually unclean.

The Levitical laws, then, had to do with keeping the Jewish people separate from common -- and apparently attractive -- practices used in worshipping idols so that they would worship the true God.

The greatest Jewish philosopher Even Maimonides,, and who lived from 1134-1204, did not believe the Levitical passages had anything to do with normal male homosexuality.
In his Guide to the Perplexed that Leviticus 18:22 simply was prohibiting pederasty and that the reason for all of these laws was to hold all sex in contempt and to avoid pleasure so that one's mind stays strictly on the Law and God.

Do these laws then apply to people who worship idols, using sexual activity in their worshipping services, and who sacrifice infants to demon gods. Yes. To the people naturally gay or lesbian seeking committed, stable, healthy relationships, I do not believe these laws apply.

July 13, 2011
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Tichan,

LOL LOL...your doing it again here. Trying to justify humans based on sexuality.

For the Believer ..this is never the standard or non standard.

This is the struggle between the two religions of the world...the Religion of Ishmael and the Religion which is after Issac.

In Ishmael...one must always return to sexuality...as the root and basis of mans justification.

Give me the name of the god of rampant runaway sexuaitly.

In Issac...sexuality is never the core issue or topic.

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July 13, 2011
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All of what I am bringing forth is of the bible and the old testament.
And this includes with real translation from Hebrew and Greek scholars.

Its all there in black and white.

July 14, 2011
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Yes indeed what you post is in the Bible.

However ..there is something missing from your long dissertations. And this is also in the Bible cover to cover... that is that no where in the Bible ..New or Olde Testament do you find any instruction for a Child of God to define themselves by their sexuality...or anything to do with sex in the manner for which you are describing. It is not there.

This is because the nations surrounding Ancient Israel..and even into the New Testament times the cities in which Believers met together...were often cities of great pagan abominations. The fertility religions.

Gods people were and are never to follow down this trail or path.

Yet when you see many peoples posting or taking the time to post...one detects that this is their greatest work...to go down this path that God told them not to go..not to do as the other peoples and nations did.

What is also astonishing to me is that many ministers do not teach this to their flocks. I find this very suspect of them.

I am not speaking against sex or sexuality here. I am saying that people are so much more than sex and sexuality. People are so much more than this.

This is the understanding/knowledge missing from the educations of most peoples today.

So many peoples today have pretty much a one topic conversation...one topic emotions...one topic ideas...they become predictable in this ..and it often boils down to sex, sexuality, sexual orientation.

What God is telling His people is not to be a base animal as were many of the other nations and peoples doing....buy defining themselves in this manner.

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July 14, 2011
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Let us take a look at some things or items from the NIV translation of the bible verses the King James Version of the Bible.

The passages quoted by the OP of this thread from Deuteronomy 23:17-18 here in the NIV version.

17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute. 18 You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute[a] into the house of the LORD your God to pay any vow, because the LORD your God detests them both.

Now ..let us take a look at this from the King James Version. Deuteronomy 23:17-18

17There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

18Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Notice the switch in how it reads. it goes from no whores nor sodomite of the sons and daughters of Israel..in Verse 17...of the King James Version to....

No Israelite man or woman is to become a temple prostitute in the NIV verse 17 of Deuteronomy.

IN the King James the verse 17 reads no whores of the daughters of Israel and no sodomites of the sons of Israel. Nothing about temple or shrine prostitution.

Then in verse 18 of Deuteronomy the King James says...not the hire of a whore or the price of a dog into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow: for both of these are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.

Now notice how the NIV version switches this meaning to male temple prostitute in verses 18 when the KJV states no such thing and leaves out the portion about the price of a dog.

It is an interesting omission and addition in these verses.

Furthermore it would help some of the readers out here to know the bios of two people on the NIV Translation committees.

Dr.Virginia Ramey Mollencott

http://textus-receptus.com/wiki/Virginia_Mollenkott

Dr Martin Woudstra

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/woudstra.htm

For more instruction and knowledge on the various versions of the Bible and how they differ I highly recommend a book....

Gail Riplinger

New Age Bible Versions.

This book will show verse by verse where the various translations have changed the meanings of different verses and how they read..side by side so that you can see them and follow along.
Also the missing verses from many versions of the new translations.

Gail Riplinger caught alot of flack for writing her book and particularly by academia. This tells me that she is on track for much of what she has written.

The problem with many of the new versions is that they are written and commit teed by academics...Humanitarians. Not by believers per se.
And this shows in motive and method in what they write and publish.

No where in both the Olde or New Testaments do you see any instruction for God's people to define themselves by their sexuality as was already being done in the Pagan Nations. For this is abomination.

New versions of the Bible attempt to cloud and misdirect this knowledge and thinking to human reasoning and versions.

All Glory is to God and not men.

Under humanitarianism..all glory is to men and when men attempt to glorify themselves they always return to the basensss of sex/sexuality. The more educated they are the more base they become and attempt to drag others into this baseness...by logic, by reason, by emotions. This is Ishmael.

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July 14, 2011
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I'm going to take a wild guess, Tichen is speachless right now.

July 14, 2011
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Greeny2,

I am not particularly trying to be hard on Tichan.

I say this because I know many Believers who are, to me, dumb as a box of rocks about any and everything..including Christianity and It is my belief that their ministers like them this way. They know nothing about the different versions of the Bible or why and how this came to be.

What I am declaring is also the fault of alot of Believers in that they have not been taught and do not do their own homework. Little thinking going on there.

This is one manner in which the Ishmaeliltes of this world default through on so much...the ignorance of others. And they are correct in a certain reasoning or manner to bank on this ignorance.

In this ignorance ..in this manner...the Salt has been taken out of many Believers...and the corruption has followed.

Thanks for your post,
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July 14, 2011
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OrangeTom I'm one of those who is dumber than a box of rocks, if you ask me to quote and inturpet the Bible. I also do not think we all need to live our lives, knowing verbatum, bible verses at the drop of a hat, and being A+ students of every line of the Bible. Do I need to pick apart, every last detail of things like this to live my life, I say No. I'm really amazed how I'm branded a Christian lunatic of some sort on the board here, just listen to how Tichan characterizes me, which could not be futher from how you would discribe my real life. He is not the only one who has this misconception about me.

None of this has a thing to do with gay rights , tolerance to gays, or arguments for or against Gay marriage. Attemping to distort a Biblical story or distort its meaning, in order to accomplish some 2011 social issue argument, is pretty ludicas to me. I'm no expert about S & G, but it was very simple to find and read, Tichen again was distorting things. Tichan got mad at me for finding the wikipedia aritical that his first Torah statement was copied from, and that he neglected to print what it said in the summery of Christian views of S & G, viewed both in a sexual perspective and non-sexual perspective. That ticked him off becasue it derailed his presention, and skipped over facts about the hospitality issue that do not support his ideas.

July 14, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: OrangeTom I'm one of those who is dumber than a box of rocks, if you ask me to quote and inturpet the Bible. I also do not think we all need to live our lives, knowing verbatum, bible verses at the drop of a hat, and being A+ students of every line of the Bible. Do I need to pick apart, every last detail of things like this to live my life, I say No. I'm really amazed how I'm branded a Christian lunatic of some sort on the board here, just listen to how Tichan characterizes me, which could not be futher from how you would discribe my real life. He is not the only one who has this misconception about me.

LOL LOL..Greeny2,

I too am one of those who can be considered dumb as a box of rocks. I am nothing special when it comes to bible knowledge.

What helps me and very quickly is this computer or also my Franklin Electronic Bible when I want to reference ceratain verses or quotes.

This electronic bible, like this computer, allows one to find both KJV and NIV verses quickly though I am no5t a fan of the NIV for reasons above and having read Gail Riplinger's book some years ago.

One need not be the brightest light in in the darkness of what we find so often out here in the world. What one needs is to know when and where to draw upon Salt. For this world does not like Salt and tries to make us all tolerant or what I call the sugar of the earth. I am not interested in this.

All one needs to know is how to find or locate certain Bible verses...though I do not like to spend alot of time quoting them when referring or debating unbelievers because it is simply a waste of time with most of them. For most of them, unbelievers, if it is not out of the holy books of science and the religion if science it is a total waste of their time. Their religion is science and the demigods of science.

And no ..you dont need to pick apart every little thing toi live your life ....correct. YOu just have to know how to rain/Reign Salt down on the slugs of this earth when they get out of hand or do a bypass round them. In this case Salt is with a capital S.

As to lunatic...I believe that is a badge of honor today when so many try to label others who do not believe as do they. I am reminded of that individual in the beauty contest some years ago when they asked a woman contestant about marriage and they did not like this womans definition of marriage. They proceeded to turn a whole machine on this woman because they did not approve of her answer. I found this to be alarmingly intolerant from a group who expects tolerance from others.
They proceeded to hang out as much of this woman's life and baggage as they could to punnish her for a question they had asked. I found this to be very ingenuine or deceiving of the goals, methods, beliefs, and expectations of this group.

One can never force others to acceptance. This is the great hoax about this group. To demand tolerance when they give none. They are the very thing they decry in others.

Well...I think you get the point Grenny2.

None of this has a thing to do with gay rights , tolerance to gays, or arguments for or against Gay marriage. Attemping to distort a Biblical story or distort its meaning, in order to accomplish some 2011 social issue argument, is pretty ludicas to me. I'm no expert about S & G, but it was very simple to find and read, Tichen again was distorting things. Tichan got mad at me for finding the wikipedia aritical that his first Torah statement was copied from, and that he neglected to print what it said in the summery of Christian views of S & G, viewed both in a sexual perspective and non-sexual perspective. That ticked him off becasue it derailed his presention, and skipped over facts about the hospitality issue that do not support his ideas.

It has to do with this issue in the form of subtilty and seduction ..to get others to stop thinking for themselves and allow others to defult through. It is seduction and disarming of people who cannot think for themselves....including further than their preachers and ministers desire of them to be able to think.

Agree..it is simple..find and read. Most of these posts like some of the others here are about emotions..when you look past all the other verbage.

I still stand by what I stated earlier...we are never to define ourselves by our sexuality...for this only puts us at a level with the very basest of animals...not thinking humans. Emphasis on thinking here verses emotions and instant gratifications.

I'm afraid I have missed the posts of which you speak concerning the Torah and Tichan.

Looking at the clock I must make haste now ...thanks for your reply. Catch up with you and the board later.

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July 14, 2011
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I am reminded of that individual in the beauty contest some years ago when they asked a woman contestant about marriage and they did not like this womans definition of marriage. They proceeded to turn a whole machine on this woman because they did not approve of her answer. I found this to be alarmingly intolerant from a group who expects tolerance from others.

That issue was the works of Perez Hilton who choose to ruin someones life over a simple question asked, and a simple answer given. It was a planned set up from the start, aiming right at someone who they knew had religious convictions and beliefs. It showed the visceral level that the gay rights activists are willing to goto, while being oblivious to the fact they are as intolerant of all Religions, and are religious bigots. They demand equal rights while they have no respect for neither freedom of speech nor religous freedom.

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