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Leaning towards Reincarnation
July 7, 2011
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My current findings in researching the scientific facts about Religion. That is facts about Supreme Beings, After-life, Heaven, Hell and spirits.

1. Faith is not proof. It is blind allegiance.
2. There is no known proof of any Alien Being Supreme or otherwise. (Sorry Black Vault, this is my belief about aliens)
3. There is no known proof of a Heaven or Hell.
4. Heaven and the Supreme Being concept are popular because they are "feel good/answer all" concepts. It was popular in the beginning as well as now to believe a dead loved one went to a better place (heaven). It was popular in the beginning as well as now to believe that if you don't understand something it is the doing of an (invisible) Supreme Being. Spirits is mostly an "answer all" concept.

5. Years ago I read about the boy from India who thought he had been someone else (reincarnated) in a previous life. He could describe many details of a person who had lived years before him. But not only that, he also had a mole on his chest that looked like a slash wound. It turned out that the person the boy thought he was had been killed by a knife that had been thrust into him at exactly the position of his mole. At that time I looked for more cases of ths and found very little. I thought maybe its a hoax and I need more cases. The other day I did an internet search on the subject again and I found a lot. There are reports of this phenomena all over the world. This is my interpretation of the studies.

1. Human to human reincarnation is indicated.
2. Two to seven years old is the best age for recalling a pastlife. Apparently past-life memories begin to be fade/erase/ or are overwritten by current life memories after the age of seven.
3. Traumatic death seems to be a requirement for past-life recall. That is; calm death will not allow for past-life recall from your re-incarnate. It must be traumatic.Burned in.?????
4. Traumatic death which leaves a scar such as a gunshot wound or a knife wound can be transferred in the form of a mole or discoloring.
5. This could be considered a spirit transfer. (for lack of a scientific explanation)

Anticipated Questions:
1. What about human to animal re-incarnation? No evidence of such.
2. What about wound transfer for a vaporized body such as in an explosion? (My guess) No trauma, no memory. Rebooted body or new body, no wound transfer.
3. Do humans reincarnate into two-year olds? No, we reincarnate into fetuses or newborns. Before the age of two we are unable to process the pastlife. Between the age of 2 and 7 we are able to process past life and block off current life memories. After the age of seven, current life memories overwhelm past life memories.

July 12, 2012
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Early Christianity and reincarnation:

http://www.near-death.com/expe.....3.html#a05

Notice that the Pharisees questioning John were expecting the reincarnation of an Old Testament prophet. And John did not refute the concept of reincarnation when he stated his ignorance about having a past life as Elijah. But Jesus was not ignorant about John. Jesus knew better and said so in the plainest words possible:

This is the one ... there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist ... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. (Matt. 11:11-15)

Jesus revealed John to be Elijah; but John denied it. Which of the two people are right - Jesus or John? The answer should be very clear. John's denial of his own past identity as Elijah does not mean he did not have a past life as Elijah. This is especially true when Jesus claimed that John was indeed Elijah.

July 12, 2012
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The Bible is proof of reincarnation? That book seems like it can be proof of anything.

"I can conceive of nothing in religion, science, or philosophy, that is anything more than the proper thing to wear, for a while." ~ Charles Fort

July 12, 2012
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Lets assume it may be true, and if it was, those who believe in reincarnation, they are unaware of their past lives, so the Bible story could make sense the John would deny it. Many people think they may have had past lives, and have visions of that past life. The Bible does not give a promise of reincarnation for everyone, maybe it did happen in this one case, nobody will know for sure. Are there other mentions of reincarnation? The Bible does give a promise of eternal life however.

July 12, 2012
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The exact nature of that eternal life is not disclosed.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 14, 2012
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Perhaps "Hell" is being reincarnated over and over and over again until you get your life right -- only then are you allowed into Fantasyland? :think:

I don't believe what I believe because it's what I desire to believe. I believe what I believe because it's what science, evidence, and logic causes me to believe.

July 14, 2012
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"event_horizon" wrote: Perhaps "Hell" is being reincarnated over and over and over again until you get your life right -- only then are you allowed into Fantasyland? :think:

I agree that life is not just a reward/punishment scheme.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

July 19, 2012
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"khanster" wrote: Early Christianity and reincarnation:

Notice that the Pharisees questioning John were expecting the reincarnation of an Old Testament prophet. And John did not refute the concept of reincarnation when he stated his ignorance about having a past life as Elijah. But Jesus was not ignorant about John. Jesus knew better and said so in the plainest words possible:

This is the one ... there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist ... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. (Matt. 11:11-15)

Jesus revealed John to be Elijah; but John denied it. Which of the two people are right - Jesus or John? The answer should be very clear. John's denial of his own past identity as Elijah does not mean he did not have a past life as Elijah. This is especially true when Jesus claimed that John was indeed Elijah.

Good grief!
The Pharisees were not expecting a reincarnation of an Old Testament prophet, they were expecting THE Old Testament prophet. John wasn't lying when he said he wasn't Elijah and Jesus was correct when He called him Elijah because John the Baptist came in the office of Elijah, doing the work of Elijah. That is why Jesus followed that up with [glow=red]"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."[/glow]

Jesus was basically saying, "You wanted to see Elijah, well, here he is, listen to him and believe what he says" But, they did not.

July 30, 2012
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"qmark" wrote:

John wasn't lying when he said he wasn't Elijah and Jesus was correct when He called him Elijah because John the Baptist came in the office of Elijah, doing the work of Elijah. That is why Jesus followed that up with [glow=red]"He who has ears to hear, let him hear."[/glow]

Jesus was basically saying, "You wanted to see Elijah, well, here he is, listen to him and believe what he says" But, they did not.

Hopefully you can give me some scholarly references to back that up.

July 30, 2012
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You are correct qmark... 🙂

http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matt ... lly-elijah

The teaching of reincarnation is against the Old Testament; therefore, Jesus was not teaching that John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated. So, what did Jesus mean when He said that John the Baptist was Elijah? We see in Malachi 4:5 this prophecy, "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." Jesus is referring to the prophecy concerning Elijah. We see that the coming of Elijah was in the spirit of Elijah, which is so stated in Luke 1:13-17. The context is when Zecharias, John's father-to-be, was performing his priestly duties in the temple (Luke 1:8ff). An angel of the Lord appeared to Zacharias and said,

"Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14"And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15"For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb. 16"And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. 17"And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord," (Luke 1:13-17).

So, we see that John the Baptist was in the spirit of Elijah, but not actually Elijah reincarnated.

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