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Is God Real or Not?
July 16, 2009
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The debate over Evolution vs Creationism just won't go away. I believe there is a very good reason for this seemingly never ending debate. What is at stake here, is truth. Is God real or not? Creation Science takes the viewpoint that the Bible's account of creation is true. That an all powerful, loving God, created our world and all living creatures. The theory of evolution counteracts this truth with a truth of it's own. Evolution explains the origin of existence without an all powerful, loving God. Evolution embraces atheism and attempts to explain our world without the existence of God. Creation embraces God as the reason for our existence. Two truths in diametric contradiction with each other.

To find the truth, there must be evidence to substantiate, make real, and give substance to ideas that are espoused as truth. We know for a fact that evolution is true. If evolution weren't true, it wouldn't be very good at predicting how viruses adapt to changing environments. Many people will accept micro evolution, but not macro evolution. There is ample evidence for macro evolution. One example is a fossil named Tiktaalik Roseae. A fish that lived about 375 million years ago and had forward fins containing the bones and joints of two stumpy legs. This is a species that links water dwelling fish to land dwelling four legged tetra pods. There are many examples that point to the truth of evolution. But there is a reason why people deny the truth and opt for a fantasy world. The reason is simply death. All religions promise an afterlife. Death is not final and we will all live on in paradise along with our loved ones. It is a false belief that causes some people to deny scientific facts in order for them to live in a fantasy world. Is God real or not? Let the evidence speak for itself.

a book without light
unless with love we write ~ Moody Blues

June 6, 2012
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"frrostedman" wrote: My goodness.. a blast from the past. Hi malai.

"What IS real." It goes all the way down to the core of our belief systems and the fabric of our universe and reality.

Morpheus nailed it. Movie or not, his statement was undeniably correct. "If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

One of my favorite Morpheus quotes which is a very Christian concept whether the filmmakers meant it that way or not, is

  • "The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

Replace "The Matrix" with "This dimension" and voila, it's almost word for word straight out of the Bible.

I had to resurrect this thread for this post. I was reading an article on the web about the Matrix movie. Some of the dialog by "Mr Smith" is out right creepy when you peel away the layers and compare it to the world today.

June 7, 2012
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For what it's worth, I believe the abstract is real. The concrete is contained in the abstract.

"it is easy to grow crazy"

June 13, 2012
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God is, thats it. Evolution/Creation/etc. are fables. You don't have to believe in God to make God exist. However, "faith" is required to make christianity exist.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

June 26, 2012
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"Nesaie" wrote: God is, thats it. Evolution/Creation/etc. are fables. You don't have to believe in God to make God exist. However, "faith" is required to make christianity exist.

Long time no talk, Nes..How ya been? Faith is belief in something you cannot prove. Your statement on your own belief is one of faith. I'm curious, how do you KNOW that evolution is a fable?

Dawkins thinks belief in God is an excuse to evade thinking in the scientific world. Sadly, he is ignorant to the list of christian scientists who have contributed & founded many of the sciences he himself believes in. How ironic.

June 26, 2012
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SmokinJoe,

Interesting statement at the bottom of your post..

Dawkins thinks belief in God is an excuse to evade thinking in the scientific world. Sadly, he is ignorant to the list of christian scientists who have contributed & founded many of the sciences he himself believes in. How ironic.

Though I do alot of reading when I can, I only became aware of that statement in the last few years. It was and continues to be an eye opener for me as to how many people are scientists as well as Christians.

I know several who work for a science laboratory in Albuquerque...called Sandia Labs...as well as right here at the NASA Langley Research Center right up the road from me here in Virginia.

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June 26, 2012
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Seems to be a great misconception that science is dominated by atheism. It is totally not true, and in fact you may find those involved in many programs like space and aviation gravitate to stronger beliefs. I was lucky and got to talk to many of the shuttle astronauts when they toured the plant.

Lot of talk about the big bang theory on this board, used as proof God doesn't exist. I studied a lot about the big bang theory, in advanced metalurgy classes, and not one time, did my teacher, who was also head of the welding department, related it whatsoever to God or Creation, it was all regarding the process of how elements came into being. Never was it equated to some proof of God not existing. The process of Gravity, and the strong and weak force of the Nucleus, compressing until a proton is generated, making it another element, all part of understanding metalurgy, heat treating, lattice structures, etc.

Unless they have studied metalurgy, or read what I have written before about it in the past, I doubt if the expert Atheists, who know so much about the big bang theory, could even tell you why metals are metals, and non-metals are non=metals. It is very much related to the big bang theory, atoms, and the 4 basic forces in nature.

June 26, 2012
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I have never EVER seen anyone claim that the big bang is proof there is no God.

That's one you've pulled from your ass greeney, and the misconception that science is only for atheists is one generated ONLY by religious people as a way to discredit it.

What with comments like this and the other thread it seems all you guys ever do is misrepresent other people's positions. Why do you do this? Is it ignorance? Laziness? I just don't get it. It doesn't seem to make any difference how many times you're corrected.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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June 26, 2012
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For the last 2 years, everyone of you have contended the Big Bang Theory, is proof that creation was impossible, the Bible was totally false, so God did not exist.

June 26, 2012
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I have never ever claimed that the Big Bang disproves creation.

Find the quote. If I've been saying it for two years that should be easy to do.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

- Sam Harris

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