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Good, Evil, Miracles and Bin Laden
May 4, 2011
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This is probably going to stir up a lot of trouble, but it was something I thought of watching the TIVO of the mass given Sunday for the beatification of Pope John Paul 2. This is not a post to begin some anti-catholic agenda, it was just food for thought even if you do not believe in any part of the Catholic Church. Bear with me and this explanation.

Catholics have a set criteria for Sainthood, and Pope John Paul 2 has met some of that already. Usually Sainthood does not get completed for around 100 years, however the first steps have occured with John Paul 2 and Mother Teresa still in our lifetime. Part of the criteria is the verification of 2 miracles, and after one verification the beatification process can begin, leading to full Sainthood in the future. John Paul is credited with one miracle of healing a nun of Parkinsons disease completly. I do not care to debate the merits of that, it is not the point of this post. However that was the one miracle used to start a movement twards Sainthood for John Paul. The proessess begain, and accepted, as John Paul 2 to be beatified. The Mass to celebrate that was held on Sunday, the very day Bin Laden was killed.

What greater contrast in humans can you think of in which one, Pope John Paul 2, represents all that that is Good, pure, with an aura of Love, like the world has not seen since Christ. No other human on earth, attracted the kind of crowds John Paul 2 did. Millions would flock to his visits, only to get a glimpse of him. Sunday millions of people came to the Vatican, and during the Mass over 1000 priests gave communion to all those in the main square, and there were too many to give Communion to the surrounding streets. Say whatever you will about Catholics, or the Vatican, when 1 million people come to celebrate the Mass for this one person, recieve what they believe are the Holy Sacraments, there is no doubt, the forces of Good and Love are the cause. A man so deserving of Heaven, not many can compare to.

In Contrast, what Human on earth today represents the total opposite? A man with a preverted sence of religion, not based on Good or Love, but based on a twisted evil idea, of hate and murdering. A person who has hidden for decades and has made people kill themselves in order to kill others who have no relation whatsoever to his life style. No other person since Hiltler has been as evil and cynical, and believes in such oppressive and perverted things. The role of women, the rights of woman and childern. The deeds of this person so deserving of Hell for eternity, he could only be accompanied by the likes of Hitler, Sadaam Hussien, Stalin to name a few.

Why is there such a contrast in humans and coinsodently on the very same day, The one has a million people celebrating a Mass for the greatest symbol of Love and Peace in our lifetime, vs the death and demise of one of the worst symbols of hate in our lifetime.

Is this John Paul 2's, second miracle? Is this a sign from God that Good Triumphs over evil, and that Gods will struck evil down, while the prayers of the Good, 1 million strong in person and millions more watching on TV, celebrated this Mass? Is it some divine miracle this Human, John Paul 2 and to Good he spread, is used as the symbol God is showing is the way, and the message of hate and Bin Laden is not the way? God struck him down for all of mankind, on the very same day.

May 4, 2011
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Good post, greene. Humans are very contradictory creatures, capable of doing great evil or great good. Usually for the same reasons too, I think. You have to keep in mind, people like Bin Laden usually don't think of themselves as evil. Most human beings try to shape the world to their liking, whether in a small or large way. Some people, very few, try it on a global scale.

I understand your POV here, I think, but I see this more as an example of the double-edged sword of belief, rather than simply specific examples of good versus evil. I hope I made some sense here. Anyway, like I said, good post, thanks.

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May 4, 2011
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Thank you and it may at best just be total coinsodence, but why did the paths of their 2 lives led to such a contrast in lives, and extreme ends of the scales, come togather on exactly the same day as monumentally opposing forces. Good vs. Evil! Is it a message, is it a miracle, or an act of God striking down this evil in the face of such good? I think symbolically it is a huge coninsodence. Certainly has a little more weight in my mind than a shadow in a ritz cracker, or tree sap forming a figure of Mary, and calling that a miracle.

May 4, 2011
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"greeney2" wrote: Thank you and it may at best just be total coinsodence, but why did the paths of their 2 lives led to such a contrast in lives, and extreme ends of the scales, come togather on exactly the same day as monumentally opposing forces. Good vs. Evil! Is it a message, is it a miracle, or an act of God striking down this evil in the face of such good? I think symbolically it is a huge coninsodence. Certainly has a little more weight in my mind than a shadow in a ritz cracker, or tree sap forming a figure of Mary, and calling that a miracle.

I seem to recall a similar story, about the tv show personality, Mr. Rogers. Remember him? Well, I seem to recall a news item about him dying at the same time as some serial killer who I think was also in the same hospital. Not sure if I'm correct though. Maybe could google it.

Anyways, I don't automatically discount the possibility of a deeper meaning to such coincidence. I like Jung's synchronicity theory, that there is a hidden order beneath seemingly unconnected events which is rarely directly perceived.

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May 4, 2011
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there is a hidden order beneath seemingly unconnected events which is rarely directly perceived.

Definatly food for thought, that these unconnected events came togather at the same time to me.

May 4, 2011
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That's what I'm here for. 🙂

Well, that and to troll. 😈

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May 4, 2011
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Good stuff! 😀

May 5, 2011
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Reminds me of a book by Clive Barker that I read many years ago called The Great and Secret Show. It too was themed in this surreal concept of a hidden order barely beneath the surface that is rarely sensed and almost never fully seen. interesting

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May 5, 2011
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People do like to elevate.
Personally, I have no use for the saint label..It doesn't change who the person is or what they did and this miracle thing is rather dubious.
I wonder who they'll select to be the Devil's Advocate when considering Paul for sainthood.

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May 5, 2011
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Was that the point of issue of what I posted?

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