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Frosty? Why are you quoting an atheist?
November 19, 2010
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I'm so confused...

But, I'm listening...

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November 20, 2010
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Because Dawkin's comments were taken as support for Intelligent Design and jumped upon by believers, although that is not how they were meant to be taken. Dawkins had an entirely different point in mind when he said them.

Words are dangerous things when there are vultures about! 😉

I'm sure he regrets his choice of words now.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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November 21, 2010
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The words mean are in support of something I have some hunches about, that's all.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

November 21, 2010
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The real shame is, and I'm not talking about you here Tom, I have no idea what you have and have not read, but Dawkins has written some amazing work, yet many creationists only ever get to read very select cherry picked passages that have been taken advantage of by the Intelligent Design movement. Same with others, like Stephen Jay Gould.

I wonder how many of them have read an entire book of his, like The Blind Watchmaker. Feel free to stay away from The God Delusion, because you're not going to like it, or get much from it, but really good books in support of evolution can be appreciated even by Christians. A lot of Christians even agree with him.

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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November 23, 2010
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Well, I may have "cherry-picked" a quote, but I'm not trying to suggest that Dawkins believes in intelligent design. Instead, I'm appealing to those inside and outside the Christian familiy to think outside the box.

In other words - The Creator of this universe and all things in it, doesn't necessarily have to be a giant, white-bearded man-figure sitting up in the clouds. Instead He could be a Master Programmer. God doesn't have to be confined to the ethereal and unimaginable.

Does the bible teach this? No. In fact, the bible doesn't teach anything about how God did His work. However, the bible does tell us God did it with His "Words" or Commands.

One thing I think we can all agree on is, assuming God exists, He likely didn't build this reality of ours with a giant hammer and chisel.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

November 23, 2010
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Aw, you changed it. I liked your Dawkins quote.

Here is another you would probably like:

The essence of life is statistical improbability on a colossal scale.
Richard Dawkins

"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."

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November 25, 2010
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So Dawkins is an atheist... Does that mean Frosty can agree with nothing he says? 😎 What's more important, the message or the particular paradigm the messenger chooses to subscribe to? 🙄 Bill Gates is the devil.

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November 28, 2010
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"frrostedman" wrote:
In other words - The Creator of this universe and all things in it, doesn't necessarily have to be a giant, white-bearded man-figure sitting up in the clouds. Instead He could be a Master Programmer.

Nice.

Which is why I'm a Deist. Ever played some of those little computer simulations where certain rules are given and then, through random mathmatics, those rules play out into different patterns? I believe one of the games is called "the game of life".

I saw another such simulator years ago, testing out segregation. From what I remember, one simulation had a rule that the blue dot wanted to be next to one other blue dot, and the same rule for the red dot. Originally the dots were randomly placed on a checker board. Soon, the checker board was segregated with blue and red dots. The other simulation I remember had a rule where the blue dot wanted to be next to two blue dots. The same segregation occurred, but faster. The patterns themselves were different, but the segregation still happened.

My take, for years, has been that God designed "life the Universe and everything", but God does not interfere. However, as with a Harley or an ol' Chevey, when a person works on it, shines it up, there is a bit-o-themself whithin that vehicle. For some programmers, who work 48 hours straight to meet a deadline, I believe it's the same. By that attention into a vehicle or program, it's almost like breathing life into an object. It's like that object has a soul...Remember the Steven King novel? Christine? I don't think it's bad like that, but y'all get the picture.

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November 28, 2010
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I'd say creating the universe is a high level of involvement. 😎

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November 28, 2010
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"at1with0" wrote: I'd say creating the universe is a high level of involvement. 😎

Define high.

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