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February 24, 2010
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"sheye" wrote: But I do believe we have to judge the fruits of our own tree,as well as those of others,to be guided into the will of the father in heaven...

Whatever you choose to call, that introspection of self, as well in looking at others,it is dangerous to consider unconditional love,will accept all deeds done, withought judging, the purpose and intent of the deeds. .

Sheye I hope you don't mind, but this was a post of yours in response to one of mine, and I wanted to say something about this.

If you look at what you said, it again, reminds me of Jesus.
Yeah we could consider it dangerous to have faith. We can consider the love of the crucifixion as the ultimate faith. Jesus accepted all deeds done. Look at the potency of his message. We perceive loving unconditionally as losing control, and in a sense, yes, we lose self control. With practice, we begin to realise that it takes giving up self control to align with Gods will. Everything we see in the world in which we think is chaos, is actually our 'self' control that is at fault. It is our own intent, our own deeds, our own judgment. When we love unconditionally we start to see control in a different light. That with love, their is NO greater effect. If we should worry about anything in life, it should be our ability to love.

Even if you don't have a response to this, or no one else does, just thought I would throw that out there.

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February 24, 2010
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Sheye I hope you don't mind, but this was a post of yours in response to one of mine, and I wanted to say something about this.

If you look at what you said, it again, reminds me of Jesus.
Yeah we could consider it dangerous to have faith. We can consider the love of the crucifixion as the ultimate faith. Jesus accepted all deeds done. Look at the potency of his message. We perceive loving unconditionally as losing control, and in a sense, yes, we lose self control. With practice, we begin to realise that it takes giving up self control to align with Gods will. Everything we see in the world in which we think is chaos, is actually our 'self' control that is at fault. It is our own intent, our own deeds, our own judgment. When we love unconditionally we start to see control in a different light. That with love, their is NO greater effect. If we should worry about anything in life, it should be our ability to love.

Even if you don't have a response to this, or no one else does, just thought I would throw that out there.

I don't mind at all sandra..
and I do understand the love and grace of jesus,or at least I am asking Him to help me understand it more.

I do not believe jesus is the "unconditional love",especially in acceptanence of the deeds of "sin".

yes,it is unconditional in the sense ,that he LOVES the sinner MORE than he DESPISES the SIN,and you have to make a judgement call,in unconditional love.

Did JESUS not get angry in the temple Sandra,,
Did Jesus,WHO is WITHOUT SIN, not throw the tables up in the temple,when he saw how they MOCKED His Fathers house???

Can you explain to me ..why the most perfect human to walk this planet in "unconditional love", could do something like that...

because of LOVE ,and how the LOVE for his FATHER, was so pure, he could not stand to see the souls he loved ,and came to fight for in spirit,continue to sin,with great abominations to His Father, from which He knew the greatest of loves,and to Whom His utmost respect remained.

February 24, 2010
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"sheye" wrote: I do not believe jesus is the "unconditional love",especially in acceptanence of the deeds of "sin".

Remember the theives on the day of the crucifixion?

40But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.f”

43Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

yes,it is unconditional in the sense ,that he LOVES the sinner MORE than he DESPISES the SIN,and you have to make a judgement call,in unconditional love.

It sure wasn't hard for Jesus to tell the theives they were going to paradise with him.
Is it fair to say the more understanding we have of unconditional love the better the judgement....yes.

Did JESUS not get angry in the temple Sandra,,
Did Jesus,WHO is WITHOUT SIN, not throw the tables up in the temple,when he saw how they MOCKED His Fathers house???

It was for no other cause and effect then love. Do we know righteous anger on our own accord? Most anger is selfish, love is not selfish. Righteous anger is not selfish nature.

Can you explain to me ..why the most perfect human to walk this planet in "unconditional love", could do something like that...

because of LOVE ,and how the LOVE for his FATHER, was so pure, he could not stand to see the souls he loved ,and came to fight for in spirit,continue to sin,with great abominations to His Father, from which He knew the greatest of loves,and to Whom His utmost respect remained.

You explained that well yourself.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
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“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 24, 2010
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It sure wasn't hard for Jesus to tell the theives they were going to paradise with him.

He only told one that sandra..left one or right one?? you pick...but he only told one..read that part of scripture carefully

February 24, 2010
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I will address the rest of your statements at a later date..sandra...

For now..I feel the need to pray for both of us..so we may come to an understanding of each other, that is in the will of Jesus

February 24, 2010
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"sheye" wrote:

It sure wasn't hard for Jesus to tell the theives they were going to paradise with him.

He only told one that sandra..left one or right one?? you pick...but he only told one..read that part of scripture carefully

You have to be kidding me....now you are suggesting Jesus was picking and choosing who he was saving at the moment of crucifixion? Thats absolutely foolish.

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“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
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— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 24, 2010
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You have to be kidding me....now you are suggesting Jesus was picking and choosing who he was saving at the moment of crucifixion? Thats absolutely foolish.

just read the scripture sandra...all of it...might help you understand jesus's words better..before you go off putting words into his mouth....again... 🙄

There is much wisdom to those passages about the moment of time in the "crucifxation"

please read them carefully..and tell me what Jesus's words are?

not your words sandra..but HIS...in the passage you referred to about the two thieves,and one of them was, much more than a thief...much more...
but that perhaps is refered to in another context..jesus does believe in HELL sandra....He knows far more about it than you might expect..

February 24, 2010
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32Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."[e] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

You think Jesus meant forgive them, some of them do not know what they are doing?
Oh okay, the ones that were nailing him to the cross were forgiven, yet not the theives that were crucified next to him... ? thats something else there sheye. Where are you coming up with this stuff?

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
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“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
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— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 24, 2010
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You think Jesus meant forgive them, some of them do not know what they are doing?
Oh okay, the ones that were nailing him to the cross were forgiven, yet not the theives that were crucified next to him... ? thats something else there sheye. Where are you coming up with this stuff?

he said to one..today you will see my fathers kingdom....which meant total forgiveness for total repentence on the thieves part..for he did confess that to jesus....I am but a thief..you have done nothing wrong..(something to that effect)

what the other human who was on the cross portrayed?
contempt and mockery for him....pure mockery..and contempt

but....
perhaps the levels of purification in the realms of "purgatory",

humbled this other thief,,,to see the light...so he could be expected to meet His loving father as well some day..through the grace of the man beside him...who was willing to take the other theif,as soon as he "recognized" REPENTENCE.

just my thoughts...
if there is a "purgatory"..perhaps it is to be looked at as a wonderful gift of grace,that the soul may better understand how it has offended its creator....and the grace needed to absolve it

February 24, 2010
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