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Ecumenical movement
February 4, 2016
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Is the current ecumenical movement inspired by man, or the Spirit?

February 4, 2016
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Maybe you can put it into your own words what is a ecumenical movement, and what your opinion and beliefs are about that.  I have the feeling it will be a subject of very conflicting ideas. 

February 6, 2016
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The current movement is all about bringing different denominations together in the "spirit" of "unity". In many instances we're told to put aside doctrinal differences in the name of "unity". Some go further than denominations, some are pushing for diverse religions, to concentrate on the commonalities that we may be united. Does this big push have its roots in man, or God? What say you?

On a side note, what happened to all the old regulars that used to frequent the Religion and Spirituality section?  

February 6, 2016
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Hi Qmark, how have you been?  I'm afraid most of the regulars and not so regulars have abandon many message boards, in favor of Facebooks, and others like it.  I still look in on a daily basis.  I think its a shame, becasue nobody really wants to take time to write or discuss things, like we use to here. Most the times they ended up epic battles, and not just discussions.  

I wish we could have a bit of a revival on the board, not just in this forum but some of the others.   I see a few of our old timers on Facebook, Billy on a daily basis, Smokin Joe, and sometimes Bullwinkle.  All the atheists disappeared from our discussions, and a lot of others just moved on, hopefully will come back. 

AS to this subject, It isn't something I have very much knowledge or opinion about.  

Hope to see you on a regular basis again, maybe that will draw back some people. We do seem to have a lot of lurkers, who read post, but do not reply. Hopefully that can all change.  We have a few newcomers everyday.  

February 9, 2016
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I must have heard you qmark. 

Ok. 

Well I'm interested in this thread and what you are communicating, however; I'm wondering if you have any examples of what you see as a part of this Ecumenical movement. Because here's the thing, that stuff is never as cut and dry. Sometimes there are things inside a movement which are certainly purposeful while other times destructive. Is there any reports in news lately or a specific movement of a group of people that you have in mind or are questioning ? There is soo much movement of organizations and peoples of all kinds of walks of life right now.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 10, 2016
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Here is a quick example, there are leaders within the church (and I use the term "leaders" loosely) that are encouraging their flock to embrace those (Mormons) who supposedly believe in Jesus for the cause of unity, even though the Jesus they worship is not the Jesus of the Bible. The beginning of verse 2 Corinthians 11:4 comes to mind.

However, it goes even beyond that. Over the last couple of years it seems to be picking up steam. You read about it here and there in different articles. It is as if unity trumps all, and I find this to be quite disturbing.

February 10, 2016
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I once had Mormon neighbors. The couple continued to invite me over for dinner and persisted so yes I accepted their courtesy. Walking in their door I realized they had Elders from their church over for dinner too, of course so they could talk with me. So through dinner there was some chit chatting and small talk and afterwards one of the missionaries wanted to say a sermon or a prayer and he suddenly became very ill vomiting everywhere. I said that's my cue.. time to go. Hehehh. It was not long after that I had some words with my neighbor and told her I did not appreciate the approach her and her husband were taking in the neighborhood. I do things for people regularly and I do not mention any church I do not need to, what I do with other people is church enough. Mind you she was offended because I made sure she got the point. She spent a lot of time focusing on me, for the wrong reasons. I put a stop... a fast halt to that. Several months later I almost went off an edge with my daughter in the car and 2 Mormons came to my rescue. As I seen them making their way to my car I thought I'll be damned. They helped. BUT they started coming to my home. A lot of times Mormons do not know how to do things without expectations. They are taught expectations for their church. That gets in the way of truly connecting and coming together with people. Yes, Mormons have unique challenges in genuinely coming together with people. They still do some good things out there, but they have really been going down a wrong road with it. The motivation to do good for others and connect with people should be because that's what living is about. The rewards come just by giving and connecting no rewards from God come when there are many alternative motives to our actions and words. 

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 10, 2016
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How about Corinthians Paul and the thorn. For some reason I'm thinking about Paul and the thorn. I do not like false humility and you can find false humility all over. 

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 10, 2016
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I'm not picking on Mormons but I will say there are some challenges they face more than other organized groups of religion and it is evident in the behavior. Each organization of religion have severe challenges often some of the same and sometimes unique to a particular group. I do know many people from churches that do good work on behalf of others and that's what it is to them...GOOD WORK! 

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

February 10, 2016
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It taught me quite a lot when here I had 2 Mormons move in to the neighborhood and they focus more on me than anyone. The 1 person  (me) who was always busy helping others and apparently I needed saving the most. Now what the fu*k is that! Yeah they had some stuff mixed up the very wrong way.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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