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Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?
September 13, 2018
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I do appreciate the info, my physician is actually responsible for my report. After the scoop mark he couldn't explain, he told me to seek help from the ufo community. I'll bring it up again,but there's also the problem with getting the specimen afterwards. I was told I can't get it back, if that's true, then testing it afterwards will be impossible.

You're right about the Christian thing. I should have said I started Christian. Like I said , after seeing the craft with the symbol for God emblazoned in lights I no longer was certain. This was clearly not God,  but had all the abilities one would attribute to him. Speaking through thought, control over my actions.

I had been fooled by my faith. Not only that but I had praised my God for saving my life, when in actuality it was just an abduction gone wrong. And I wasn't saved for the love of God, but by the hands that put us in peril in the first place.

I disagree lol ya, that should have been  included in the previous paragraph. I disagree that they are above us,and that we have no need to know what they're doing to us.

As for the bible, you may find it interesting to look into the creation of the bible. As it was pointed out to me earlier in a post. There's a reason the chapters are books. They were all stories gathered by the church and put together. Only by the decisions of those men, was the story of creation put together. Well we all know that people have their own idea of what's true or not. I am not willing after my encounter to take anyones word as to the truth. I prefer to take all the knowledge I can get, and make my own decisions.  Just for kicks lol if you haven't yet read either of the texts I mentioned ,I would recommend it. As well, the emerald tablets of thoth. As I also believe him to be the essence of Enoch and many others through history.

I also agree that to come to any kind of satisfactory answer,we will be going back and forth for a while 🙂 Sounds fun, I look forward to it.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 14, 2018
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Jamie said
I do appreciate the info, my physician is actually responsible for my report. After the scoop mark he couldn't explain, he told me to seek help from the ufo community. I'll bring it up again,but there's also the problem with getting the specimen afterwards. I was told I can't get it back, if that's true, then testing it afterwards will be impossible.

You need to find someone that will be willing to give it back to you. You need to make it a condition before surgery. If necessary, you need to make an agreement that someone you trust is present during the operation. You can make it public with the media involved if you're absolutely sure there is something inside you. Have you made any scans?

You're right about the Christian thing. I should have said I started Christian. Like I said, after seeing the craft with the symbol for God emblazoned in lights I no longer was certain. This was clearly not God,  but had all the abilities one would attribute to him. Speaking through thought, control over my actions.

Yes, it would have been clearer because, for Christians, there are couple stuff that are pretty much clear that sounded pretty off limits! 

As for the abilities you're talking about, there are clearly not attributed to God only. Remote viewing or telepathy can be attributed to angels or even to some gifted men. 

I had been fooled by my faith. Not only that but I had praised my God for saving my life, when in actuality it was just an abduction gone wrong. And I wasn't saved for the love of God, but by the hands that put us in peril in the first place.

Not sure if you were fooled by your faith or by the interpretation of your faith. I'm not yet sure of the criteria for what you call faith. 

From what I understand, spiritual conversion and abduction have common ground but also differ in some criteria. But your story is indeed very interesting because they are similarities with mine.

I disagree lol ya, that should have been  included in the previous paragraph. I disagree that they are above us,and that we have no need to know what they're doing to us.

If you take this chart inspired by St-Thomas Aquinas.

1) Father, Son, Holy Spirit
2) Seraphim (Isaiah 6:1-7), Cherubim (Revelation 4-6), Thrones
3) Dominions, Virtues, Powers
4) Archangels (Judes 9; 1, Thess 4:16), Principalities (Rom 8:38; 1 Cor 15:24; Eph 1:21; 3:10; 6:12; Col 1:16; 2:10, 15), Angels
5) Advanced material UFO phenomenon***
6) Human beings
7) Animals
8) Plants
9) Inert matter
 
You realize that information about God goes top down. The higher species get an intuition of the nature of God more easily because of their high intelligence and then pass it down to the next level. Each information passing must respect some criteria because the level down can't understand as easily as the top level.
 
If UFO receive info from less advance angel and then pass it to human, then they must respect some criteria in order for us to just understand anything. So it might look mysterious while it is just very simple for them.
 

As for the bible, you may find it interesting to look into the creation of the bible. As it was pointed out to me earlier in a post. There's a reason the chapters are books. They were all stories gathered by the church and put together. Only by the decisions of those men, was the story of creation put together. Well we all know that people have their own idea of what's true or not. I am not willing after my encounter to take anyones word as to the truth. I prefer to take all the knowledge I can get, and make my own decisions.  Just for kicks lol if you haven't yet read either of the texts I mentioned ,I would recommend it. As well, the emerald tablets of thoth. As I also believe him to be the essence of Enoch and many others through history.

I used to be Protestant before becoming Catholic. Therefore, I had to go through all this process. As for the book of Enoch or Judah, do you have specific passage you find interesting?

I also agree that to come to any kind of satisfactory answer,we will be going back and forth for a while 🙂 Sounds fun, I look forward to it.  

Eager to read you again!

September 14, 2018
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As I said, I will bring it up again to my physician, he really is the only one I would trust to tell me the truth.

Scans, ya, inconclusive I guess, both come back as calcium deposits of a sort. But I find that interesting, as my ex pulled what looked like just that from a bump under my skin in the exact center of my chest. I say bump, because, it was not a pimple or the like, it was just a bump. As she dug at it,it didn't bleed and left a scar when it healed. I wasn't aware yet of what was happening to me,and discarded it down the bathroom sink. Big mistake lol

As for the Books of Enoch,and the gospels of Judas, I found the whole account of Enoch spectacular. But as I was reading it I couldn't help thinking that the whole thing sounded like a retelling of the Greek Gods. The watchers, and teachers are clearly physical beings that are immortal.

In the gospels of Judas, there are a few translations available, I have two, they are basically the same just a few small changes, one says, when Jesus meets Judas, Judas says to him, I know who you are and who sent you. The barbelo race of immortals. The other says I know who you are and where your from, the immortal realm of the barbelo. Both accounts say the same thing after however, Jesus takes Judas and walks with him explaining more to him, but never denies the statement of his origin anywhere. I also find it interesting,that Judas is the one that betrayed him, as all the other disciples accepted Jesus as God, but according to these texts Judas knew he wasn't.

Also in Judas's vision, I believe he is describing the ship that Enoch was in, not Heaven.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 18, 2018
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If I'm right, then Enoch was dealing with the immortal Olympians,not God. Also in my opinion, it was them who sent Jesus to earth.

Had Enoch had no prior knowledge of God, he would not have made that mistake. It's easily done though as I know,to mistake the extraordinary for a religious experience.

So,if I'm right,in my opinion the holy trinity was added later to explain lights in the sky that were being reported ,that couldn't be explained,and eluded the authority of the church.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 19, 2018
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I think this deception was implemented with the writing of the new testament.

I believe that the church waited until everyone who knew the truth was dead,( oldest bible is less than 1500 years old). The church says they were arguing over the rights to publish it, for 500+years.

I think the bible underwent a rewrite,i think they took the time and made Jesus, the son of God, instead of just another prophet of the gods, andJudas the scapegoat.They ignored the books of Enoch because they backed up his story, even though they are mentioned in the bible.

The holy trinity was then added.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 19, 2018
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Jamie, I don't mean to reject everything you're saying with a hand wave, but... do you have sources for everything you're saying...?

"By the time the first century A.D. ended, most of the church had agreed on which books should be considered Scripture."
https://www.thoughtco.com/when-was-the-bible-assembled-363293

"For the New Testament, the process of the recognition and collection began in the first centuries of the Christian church. Very early on, some of the New Testament books were being recognized. Paul considered Luke’s writings to be as authoritative as the Old Testament (1 Timothy 5:18; see also Deuteronomy 25:4 and Luke 10:7). Peter recognized Paul’s writings as Scripture (2 Peter 3:15-16). Some of the books of the New Testament were being circulated among the churches (Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Clement of Rome mentioned at least eight New Testament books (A.D. 95). Ignatius of Antioch acknowledged about seven books (A.D. 115). Polycarp, a disciple of John the apostle, acknowledged 15 books (A.D. 108). Later, Irenaeus mentioned 21 books (A.D. 185). Hippolytus recognized 22 books (A.D. 170-235). The New Testament books receiving the most controversy were Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2 John, and 3 John.

The first “canon” was the Muratorian Canon, which was compiled in AD 170. The Muratorian Canon included all of the New Testament books except Hebrews, James, and 3 John. In AD 363, the Council of Laodicea stated that only the Old Testament (along with one book of the Apocrypha) and 26 books of the New Testament (everything but Revelation) were canonical and to be read in the churches. The Council of Hippo (AD 393) and the Council of Carthage (AD 397) also affirmed the same 27 books as authoritative."
https://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html 

We see very fast a general agreement on many books of the New Testament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon

September 20, 2018
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Lol no offense taken, I realize what I'm saying is out there.

My hypothesis comes from an accumulated knowledge. Ive studied many texts,from native creation myths, to the greek and roman gods, from norse gods to pyramid builders and Egyptian gods, to Mesoamerica, etcetera. This is strictly my opinion.

It's not a coincidence,that all creation myths start with a visitor from elsewhere in the cosmos, with a promise to return. One or two maybe, but all of them?

The information is out there, if you look with an open mind. In my opinion all religions come from the perspective of the witnesses. Perspective is relative, so in my opinion, taking all perspectives is the only way to see the truth.

I am in no way trying to convince anyone. If the only source of information you will accept,comes from the people I am accusing of conspiracy, then I could never convince you.:-)

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 20, 2018
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I guess, to reach this hypothesis, you would need to accept first as I did, that most if not all religions have been mistaken interactions with extra terrestrial beings.

I believe many of them were the same beings, perceived differently by different cultures, all the way back to the Sumerian culture.

Why is it that every image we have made of god, he is an elderly,white skinned white haired, muscular, bearded figure? Look at depictions of Zeus, Odin, and many others, the likenesses and abilities are uncannily similar.

Look at native north American creation legends, the old man and the great spirit, a white skinned, white haired,tall elderly man.

Go to Mesoamerica and Varricocha, the creator of the pyramids and civilization, a tall, white skinned, white haired, elderly man.

I can't accept coincidence as a plausible explanation for this, and many other unexplained things.

I used to think that one book was enough, that's before the one book couldn't answer my questions.lol 🙂

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 20, 2018
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Just for fun, if you're interested,look up, petroglyph national park, just outside Algonquin park.

If you look for images, first of all , they are all amazing, but there's one I found very interesting. It depicts an alien looking being with four fingers on one hand, two on the other, but all around this being are triangles of circles.

This is only a guess, but I'm pretty sure they saw what I saw. (Minus the being ).

These triangles have been seen since biblical times in my opinion.

I believe they were being seen then, I also believe that the church had to explain them, to all kinds of people, some very prominent in the community.

It's not hard to believe really,when you think of the lengths the church went to, to suppress and control all information,at one point in time.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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