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Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?
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If the mindset of all Faith must be blind Faith, you will never recognize or accept the "Rely on" part. Convincing is a futile effort. 

September 10, 2018
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"Does it even matter if God is real? Who'd believe him if he came back?"

 

It does matter if God is real because of the philosophical primal cause. By definition, God is the first that have created everything and everyone else. Therefore, He has representatives and maybe (assuredly according to faith), ennemis.

Therefore in order to know if it is He or one of its representative that is coming back, we must ascertain that the one coming carries the proper message.

September 11, 2018
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I see where your coming from, but it doesn't address my question. How will you know the representative is the real one? How will you know it's not an imposter? Believe me when I say, faith will not help you any more than it did me.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 11, 2018
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Jamie said
I see where your coming from, but it doesn't address my question. How will you know the representative is the real one? How will you know it's not an imposter? Believe me when I say, faith will not help you any more than it did me.  

Jamie, you see, I am a very cartesian guy. (1) First, we need to establish the question and all its presumptions. (2) Second, we need to evaluate both of our worldview. (3) Then, we need to see what is a fit and what diverge between them. (4) Then, I may be able to just to start answering your question.

If we don't go through all this process, we might be turning around the Sinai desert for quite a bit. However, be sure of that, I really want to try answer your question. I feel (just a little bit, let's be honest) how important it is to you.

September 11, 2018
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M.A.C.,All the answers you need about my views are here in this post, lol I've been discussing this a while now. But if you're interested, and have read the previous posts in this thread, there are two other posts that relate to this one. First under religion look up "a question about Abraham" and under new member introduction, "just another abductee."

Ive filed a report here as well, although it hasn't been completed by the investigator. When its available I'll let you know.  As for how important it is to me,  I'm as serious as a heart attack. Everything I've put in print is real, regardless of others beliefs.

This question is for all religions.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 11, 2018
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Also, as a Cartesian, who is it you would be waiting for?

I'm not that familiar with all the teachings and philosophy, but I'm pretty sure Descartes had no faithful beliefs.:-) Was there a prediction of his return?

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 12, 2018
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Just thought I'd give you the case # as well. Its#290041. There will be a written statement, followed by a few pictures,videos,and diagrams ,explaining everything.

 Since it's a ufo report and not a religious statement,my views stay to the facts. However these incidents(the accident, and backyard encounter) were key factors to the changes in my beliefs.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 12, 2018
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Why would God appear from a craft? Why would God need a craft? It is my belief that we must call a liar anyone coming out of a craft calling themselves God. God, by definition, created the one that created the craft. They would not be able to be anyone's saviour because they themselves would have been in need of a Saviour. 

In the story of Abraham, there is no need to discern if it was God or ET. It does matter. When Angels speak, they talk in the name of God even though it is not directly God. What matters is: Is it benevolent or evil. This is the question that really matters. We have no to forget that before God (or his representative) made an alliance and said this amazing thing: If I fail to accomplish it, I, the Lord, must be killed and if you fall short of living it, I, the Lord, must be killed! Think of that, for a moment, how sacrificial of a thought it was...!

It's incomparable with the "I should go for a smoke" while we know with science that it causes cancer. Spiritual discernment is a strange thing, as well as remote viewing and visions, and all other paranormal activities. However, it certainly work with the right side of the brain and has its own rule. If those rules are followed, we can reach some truths this way. 

As for your experience, I need to know for my understanding. Do you see UFO as being kind or evil? Do you think you are an antenna (i.e. that you have the genetic to grasp telephatical communication)? When you say too many incidents, how many? Without telling the story, do you have the date?

As for the Feb.11/1994. 330am experience, have you done reversal hypnosis? How do you know it is ET and not angels? Have you been in a craft?

Have you tried to go a physician that remove RFID chips from abductee? Do you know if those marks are made from the government or from ET? Again, would you trust reverse hypnosis to give you some clues of what happened?

When you say: "I started with the Catholic church, what I saw was unbelievable. It's the exact blueprint of the bottom of the craft I encountered. Even the middle circle is smaller than the outside three.", can you explain more what you are talking about?

"Jesus,is not God, you do not worship him, you worship God. Do you not?

Jesus was his son and messenger. I do not worship Jesus.

I worship the creator,not the created."

How did you come to this conclusion as a Catholic?

September 13, 2018
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That's a lot of questions lol I'll do my best to explain. First. I'm Christian, I started with Catholic because it was the first symbol that showed up when I looked up religious symbols for God.

As for my question about Abraham, I believe that the same type of controlling telepathy that was used on me may have been used on him.

My physician,has had me in for mri,and ultrasound, however, he explained to me, here in Canada,that elective surgery isn't covered, the only way he can take them out is if they are causing me pain. I believe I have identified two of them in me, one in my back and one in my left bicep.

Hypnosis, has been a thought. Im still on the fence however, about whether the process retrieves or creates memories.

As far as I can tell, whoever or whatever is doing this has no intention of communication with me. They act malevolently, but  I believe they are not evil, they are indifferent,they feel themselves above us, and we don't require knowledge of what they're doing.

I  disagree, and I wish any being with such a complex, a slow painful death. No being is above another, and no being owns another. If you want something from someone,you ask. Plain and simple.

That being said, I still don't know if it's human beings with ultra high tech we haven't been privy to, or another race. Evil isn't inherent to an entire race, there's both good and evil in all of us.

After the accident I was under the belief that God or one of his representatives saved myself and two friends from dying. I had heard the voice of God,and being Christian it was confirmation of my faith.

When I heard the voice again 15 years later, only to be confronted by a craft (that was fashioned with lights to represent God in my opinion)  all my beliefs were in question.

I started over, analyzing every aspect of my faith. I looked into all sorts of texts, just as old as the bible, but left out by the powers that be.The books of  Enoch,and Judas paint a different picture of things.

If added to the story,  the beings who sent Jesus to earth were the same beings that took Enoch and taught him everything he needed to know to build a worldwide grid of pyramids. This race of beings is named by Judas when he meets Jesus for the first time. I believe these are the mistaken Olympians. That would make Jesus, the son of Zeus. A being even the Greeks knew was not the creator. But that was very real.

That is how I can say all those things and still believe in God, the bible is mans explanation, written by man for man. It can't tell us any more than what happened to others years ago that they interpreted as God.

I do believe that a single being is the creator, call him/her/it, whatever you wish, however I believe there is more to the story.

I hope I addressed your questions adequately. As I said before, the video description of the encounter and accident,will be available here soon.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

September 13, 2018
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Jamie said
That's a lot of questions lol I'll do my best to explain. First. I'm Christian, I started with Catholic because it was the first symbol that showed up when I looked up religious symbols for God.

ok, that make sense. As for me, I am a Catholic and have a deep background in Theology. As up to now, I haven't found any abductee that carry sound theological background. This is not to reject your case not at all. However, we might highly diverge on numerous viewpoints before we can start to look at your case directly. 

This being said, I don't mind even if it takes years to come to the same place. I just foresee a whole lot of stumbling block where you might disagree with me and where I might have to show you why I believe this and not that. 

As for my question about Abraham, I believe that the same type of controlling telepathy that was used on me may have been used on him.

That is a solid hypothesis. We then need to check between your belief and his in order to see if we can compare. As I said, I don't reject that Abraham may have encounter UFO but I reject the fact this UFO wasn't formal God's representative. The level of coherence wouldn't be possible.

My physician,has had me in for mri,and ultrasound, however, he explained to me, here in Canada,that elective surgery isn't covered, the only way he can take them out is if they are causing me pain. I believe I have identified two of them in me, one in my back and one in my left bicep.

I am in Canada too. But what you need to do is to seek a physician that will be sensitive to UFO issue. You may even get some financial support from UFO organisation to do the surgery.

Hypnosis, has been a thought. Im still on the fence however, about whether the process retrieves or creates memories.

Again, we need to do some research. Some therapist may creates more memories than others. However, I'm confident some have developed sound procedures to avoid this issue.

As far as I can tell, whoever or whatever is doing this has no intention of communication with me. They act malevolently, but  I believe they are not evil, they are indifferent,they feel themselves above us, and we don't require knowledge of what they're doing.

This can be found under investigation. Your experience is very important in order to find out. However, external view from people with expertise in the field might be necessary to extend the knowledge level around your case.

I  disagree, and I wish any being with such a complex, a slow painful death. No being is above another, and no being owns another. If you want something from someone,you ask. Plain and simple.

Not sure, you disagree with what here. Do you mean that you disagree with how "he/she/it/they" treat you?

That being said, I still don't know if it's human beings with ultra high tech we haven't been privy to, or another race. Evil isn't inherent to an entire race, there's both good and evil in all of us.

After the accident I was under the belief that God or one of his representatives saved myself and two friends from dying. I had heard the voice of God,and being Christian it was confirmation of my faith.

As I said, how did you consider yourself a Christian while not believing in the Holy Trinity? I don't mean to offend you, but your belief of Jesus being created seems inconsistant with the fact you called yourself a Christian.

When I heard the voice again 15 years later, only to be confronted by a craft (that was fashioned with lights to represent God in my opinion)  all my beliefs were in question.

I started over, analyzing every aspect of my faith. I looked into all sorts of texts, just as old as the bible, but left out by the powers that be.The books of  Enoch,and Judas paint a different picture of things.

You see, how you analyse your faith is difficult for a Catholic. As a Catholic, I have dogmas, the Holy Tradition, the Saints, Church Doctors, the Pope, the Bible. There is reason why books of Enoch and Judas were not introduced in the Holy Scriptures. What is your standard of truth? What is the process by which you identify a belief as a truth?

If added to the story,  the beings who sent Jesus to earth were the same beings that took Enoch and taught him everything he needed to know to build a worldwide grid of pyramids. This race of beings is named by Judas when he meets Jesus for the first time. I believe these are the mistaken Olympians. That would make Jesus, the son of Zeus. A being even the Greeks knew was not the creator. But that was very real.

You see, again, Jesus being created is totally foreign to Catholic belief. Unless you would be ready to challenge this idea, there is not much I can do for you in a Theological point of view.

That is how I can say all those things and still believe in God, the bible is mans explanation, written by man for man. It can't tell us any more than what happened to others years ago that they interpreted as God.

Personally, I came to a different conclusion. The Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and given to men so they may know God's will and plan for humanity. Unless we start on this premise, we will need to spend some time proving or disproving this together.

I do believe that a single being is the creator, call him/her/it, whatever you wish, however I believe there is more to the story.

I call Him God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe He created the Angels first, then the visible world and out of this visible world, man came to existence.

I hope I addressed your questions adequately. As I said before, the video description of the encounter and accident,will be available here soon.  

You did, thank you. You've created just more questions, but if you're willing to reply to them, it might be a lot of fun!

Take care!

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