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Christs Government Increasing
November 12, 2010
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"...and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end… (Isaiah 9:6-7)

If you looked in the natural, you might say the Kingdom of God is not increasing, but withering up and dissipating. You see Islam, Hinduism and secular humanism taking over the earth. According to Christian researcher George Barna, thousands of people are leaving the church every week. Why are they leaving? What are they looking for? People are hungry for truth; searching for meaning and purpose. They are looking for kingdom structure and government that would provide them with relevance and opportunity to make a difference in the world.

The word says that there is a Kingdom that is going to increase; like a mustard seed, the Kingdom of God will grow. In order for the Kingdom of God to grow, we must build churches structured according to the pattern of Kingdom government established in the Word. Every church is not a governing church. You may ask, “Why does there need to be an apostolic, governing church?” Look around at the things that are happening in our world today: violence, drugs, perversion. God knows what strategies the enemy has planned for your territory. He also knows that the only way the enemy fails to overtake a territory is if there is a territorial, apostolic, governing church that will prevent it from happening.

We have built the entire operation of God around church services. The church service was never intended to be the culmination of our Christian walk. It was never meant for our lives to be built around church services. The church service was designed for believers to come together to learn the keys to the mysteries of the Kingdom. Jesus instructed His disciples in parables. Parables provide opportunities to learn what you want to know. If you ask questions of the parable, you will learn the true meaning. When a parable is told, you don’t have to learn anything you don’t want to know. Many Christians do not want to know anything new, because we become responsible for what we learn. It is a lot easier to put all the responsibility on God so we don’t have to take responsibility for our personal growth.

People who are hungry will ask questions like the disciples did. When they asked, “What in the world does this parable mean?” Jesus replied, “Unto you is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom.” True disciples will seek understanding to know the mysteries of the Kingdom. Think about natural kingdoms. It is possible to be a citizen belonging to a kingdom or country, but not have access to the inner workings of the government of that kingdom. It is just as possible to belong to the Kingdom of God and not know or understand the mysteries or the keys of His Kingdom. Jesus explained to Peter that the revelation he had came to him because he was a disciple. In essence, Jesus was saying, “Yes, you know who I am. I am the Christ, the Son of the Living God. Peter, on this rock of revelation I will build My Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you, my disciple, the keys to My Kingdom.” Who receives the keys to the Kingdom? Those with the revelation of the Kingdom!

To understand the Kingdom, we must go back to God’s original purpose. He created Adam and made him the first ambassador and overseer of this earth realm. He gave Adam dominion and, through Adam, He gave dominion to all of us. Adam committed high treason against the Kingdom of God when he gave information concerning God’s Kingdom to the Kingdom of Satan. Adam left the government that he was under and obeyed another government, becoming the servant of another government. Through him, we became servants of another government, too.

God gave Adam a management contract for this earth, and Adam took that management contract and gave it to Satan. When Jesus came, He did not come to bring us another religion. He came to bring us another government; another management contract. The devil took Jesus up on a mountain and showed Him the Kingdoms of the world and said, “If you will fall down and worship me, I will give you all of this.” You may say, “Well, he could not do that.” The fact is he could do that because they belong to him. The kingdoms of this world belong to Satan. He is the god of this world. Now, we’re not talking about the earth itself. The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof. The geographic planet Earth belongs to God. The war is not over terra firma. The war is over the government. The war is over who is in control. The war is over who has control over the government.

We do not need another religion. AS a matter of fact, if a territory is to change, it is going to change because there is a change of government. Look at what is going on in Iraq right now. They are trying to change that nation by putting in a new government. The only way anything changes is when government changes. If the spiritual territory assigned to us is ever going to change, then the government has got to change.

Jesus came to bring us the government of God and was crucified because He was the King. Wherever Jesus went, the Kingdom of Heaven went with Him. Wherever He went, change took place. When He walked in the presence of sickness and disease from the kingdom of darkness, He brought healing to the people from the Kingdom of Heaven. He said, “If I cast out the devil by the finger of God, or by the Spirit of God, then you know that the Kingdom of God has come nigh unto you.” He said, “I am coming and bringing another government, and this other government is going to increase.” If Jesus came to set up His Kingdom, we can find the pattern that He used and follow that pattern so that we produce the same thing. The Word says the government of God would be on His shoulder; we are His body where that government rests.

Every time God gets ready to change governments and bring restoration, He starts with a man. How does God set up his government?

1. He supernaturally calls a man

2. He anoints a man

3. He tests a man. The man comes out of the test in the power of the Spirit.

4. Man begins to preach his message. He begins to tell the people God has called him, given him a message, and spoken to him.

5. The next thing the man does is he begins to carefully choose disciples, because without disciples the message and the government will never last.

Jesus trained his disciples according to this pattern. He called them and began to put His message in them. He began to teach them about His government. He took his disciples up on a mountain and began to tell them about the Kingdom.

Not only did He teach them the things of the Kingdom, but He demonstrated and showed them how to function in the Kingdom. He preached the Kingdom, cast out devils, healed the sick, raised the dead, and exercised the authority that Adam originally had. He came to reestablish the rule and dominion that was lost in the first Adam by teaching and raising up disciples. He worked together with them in the ministry. He demonstrated the supernatural part and taught them to do the natural part. Many people will not do the natural part, and never get to the supernatural. Once the disciples were equipped to do the natural, He sent them out to do the supernatural. When they rejoiced over demons being subject to them, He corrected them, reminding them that they should rejoice over having their names written in Heaven. Jesus established the pattern for apostolic government by making disciples.

You do not make disciples by bringing people to church three times a week and preaching to them. A disciple is somebody who sells out. They are not looking to have a good name in the community and go to a popular church, or be a member of the best country clubs. Disciples are people who are ready to lay down their lives for Christ. They realize they are seeing something bigger than other people see, and they have a hunger for something other people do not even care about. The Bible says in Proverbs that counsel in the heart of a man is as deep water, but a man of understanding will draw it out. We are here today, not because Jesus worked miracles, but because Jesus knew how to disciple people. He learned how to walk His disciples through the process of self-discovery, equipping them to implement the government of the Kingdom.

The Kingdom of God will be advanced in the earth. The Apostle John prophesied, “the kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our lord, and of His Christ.” As governing churches produce effective disciples who understand God’s government, the Church will increase instead of decrease. We are going to change our territories by changing the government. As the governing rule is brought under the authority of the Church, the kingdom of darkness loses influence. The government of the Kingdom of God can only come through disciples in the Church"

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“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

November 14, 2010
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That reads as if it was written by a "kingdom now" adherent or a dominionist. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, I believe the kingdom part of their theology is not very Biblical. It may make sense to the natural man but I believe to the spiritual man it is poison.

November 14, 2010
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My issue with your response qmark is that I know full well
what you discern as biblical and what you do not, and I personally
feel like you see alot of things as poison rather than to see the
truth -no matter how clouded you just all together shut it out.
No problem there, other than it is not a 'building' 'uplifting'
perspective but a negative one in which I think you too often take.
People do not need awakening but humility? Well what is
the difference please?

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

November 14, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: My issue with your response qmark is that I know full well
what you discern as biblical and what you do not, and I personally
feel like you see alot of things as poison rather than to see the
truth -no matter how clouded you just all together shut it out.
No problem there, other than it is not a 'building' 'uplifting'
perspective but a negative one in which I think you too often take.
People do not need awakening but humility? Well what is
the difference please?

Sandra,
My discernment is based on the discernment that the Lord has given me and my current level of understanding of God's Word. If something does not agree with the Bible then it is not Biblical and if it is not Biblical, it is poison as far as spiritual matters are concerned.

Now we certainly could argue about my level of understanding of God's Word. I am human so I don't know everything and I am certainly capable of being wrong. However, where I am currently with my walk with the Lord there is no reason for me to believe dominionism, as great as it may sound.

It is true that I am a "glass half full" kind of guy and that may come across as being negative but that is not me . . . really. I like to call it "well grounded" and I believe everything should be looked at through the light of scripture. And in doing so, I have no problem in building up, being uplifting, and remaining positive. But the one thing I will do is call it as I see it, just as Jesus did with the religious establishment of His day, if it does not agree with God's Word.

The difference between awakening and humility. The dictionary says for awakening; the start of a feeling or awareness in a person. The dictionary says for humility; state of being humble, which is, Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful. Showing deferential or submissive respect. The difference, for me, is that one is looking inward and one is looking outward. You could say that becoming self aware can lead to humility, and you would be correct, but that would not always be true. That self awakening could just as easily lead to pride which true humility would never do. How many times does the Bible tell us to humble ourselves before the Lord as opposed to experiencing some kind of an awakening?

For me, it all boils down to the Bible.

November 17, 2010
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"qmark" wrote: [quote="sandra"]My issue with your response qmark is that I know full well
what you discern as biblical and what you do not, and I personally
feel like you see alot of things as poison rather than to see the
truth -no matter how clouded you just all together shut it out.
No problem there, other than it is not a 'building' 'uplifting'
perspective but a negative one in which I think you too often take.
People do not need awakening but humility? Well what is
the difference please?

Sandra,
My discernment is based on the discernment that the Lord has given me and my current level of understanding of God's Word. If something does not agree with the Bible then it is not Biblical and if it is not Biblical, it is poison as far as spiritual matters are concerned.

Now we certainly could argue about my level of understanding of God's Word. I am human so I don't know everything and I am certainly capable of being wrong. However, where I am currently with my walk with the Lord there is no reason for me to believe dominionism, as great as it may sound.

It is true that I am a "glass half full" kind of guy and that may come across as being negative but that is not me . . . really. I like to call it "well grounded" and I believe everything should be looked at through the light of scripture. And in doing so, I have no problem in building up, being uplifting, and remaining positive. But the one thing I will do is call it as I see it, just as Jesus did with the religious establishment of His day, if it does not agree with God's Word.

The difference between awakening and humility. The dictionary says for awakening; the start of a feeling or awareness in a person. The dictionary says for humility; state of being humble, which is, Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit; not arrogant or prideful. Showing deferential or submissive respect. The difference, for me, is that one is looking inward and one is looking outward. You could say that becoming self aware can lead to humility, and you would be correct, but that would not always be true. That self awakening could just as easily lead to pride which true humility would never do. How many times does the Bible tell us to humble ourselves before the Lord as opposed to experiencing some kind of an awakening?

For me, it all boils down to the Bible.

And that may always be your path, one I can respect, understand, and learn from.
I'm well aware that this outlook and way of yours is nothing short of anything.
In Christ we are all somewhat different and guided in ways that are purposeful.
However Pride is another thing that at times is misunderstood. Same as arrogance or
self righteousness. Humility is something that is learned through letting go of self, shedding
layers of self and self pride, but humility is not being submissive to anything other than what
is truthful and of Christ, humility is leanring submissiveness to Gods will, and at times we are not
always going to see Gods will working in our lives and in others or the things around us.
Humility in its core, is not submissive, gods will is not submissive. Gods work is overtaking, its strong, its loving, its gentle, its grace, its dicipline its alot of things all in one. The more these things live in our lives the more at times others will not perceive us as humble by their own definition. More people need to understand these concepts. Does Gods will live in us and through us or is there never a possibility for some of us to take a further look into our discernment. I appreciated your response and insight very much.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

November 17, 2010
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Now we certainly could argue about my level of understanding of God's Word. I am human so I don't know everything and I am certainly capable of being wrong. However, where I am currently with my walk with the Lord there is no reason for me to believe dominionism, as great as it may sound.

It is true that I am a "glass half full" kind of guy and that may come across as being negative but that is not me . . . really. I like to call it "well grounded" and I believe everything should be looked at through the light of scripture. And in doing so, I have no problem in building up, being uplifting, and remaining positive. But the one thing I will do is call it as I see it, just as Jesus did with the religious establishment of His day, if it does not agree with God's Word

7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from
the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old
way of the written code.

10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up
against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it
obedient to Christ.

23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds;

24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true
righteousness and holiness.

What do you define as dominionsim?

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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