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Burn that Quran
September 7, 2010
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Personally, I don't care one way or the other. Probably not the smartest thing to do given the climate we're in but they certainly have the Constitutional right to do so. I'm fairly sure we are going to be hated regardless of any Quran burning. I just wonder why there was no big bru-ha-ha when Algeria burned Bibles in 2009 or when Israel burned Bibles in 2008. What makes Islam untouchable and Christianity fair game?

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JAKARTA, Indonesia — Thousands of Indonesian Muslims are rallying outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta to denounce a Florida church's plan to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11.

The Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., said it will burn the Islamic holy book on the ninth anniversary of the terror attacks. Local officials have denied a permit for the bonfire on the church's grounds. But the center, which made headlines last year by distributing T-shirts that said "Islam is of the Devil,'' insists it will go ahead with the plan.

About 3,000 members of a hard-line Islamic group marched Saturday to the U.S. Embassy in downtown Jakarta, waving banners and posters condemning the plan. The group organized similar rallies in five other cities across Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation.

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September 7, 2010
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Not only is it a bad idea, it could cost lives. Denial of that is like denying Wikeleaks isn;t harming our troops. I don;t know how someone can have the name "Dove World Outreach Center", and do something like that. We have enough problems without adding to it, throwing Gasoline into the fire. As much as I deplore the Imaginary God Website, I would never condone burning it, like Hitler burned books. Burning the Koran's is a stupid idea!

The United States' top commander in Afghanistan has warned that a planned Koran-burning event in Florida could put US troops in danger.

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.Gen. David Petraeus added his voice to mounting protests from both the US and abroad over the Dove World Outreach Center's plans to burn Korans on Saturday to mark the anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks. His comments ratcheted up the pressure on once-obscure pastor Terry Jones to call off the event.

The controversy comes as some 120,000 US and allied troops are waging a counter-insurgency campaign against the Taliban in Afghanistan, a campaign whose goals include winning support for the US-backed government from the largely Muslim population.

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General Petraeus said that burning Korans "is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems – not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community," according to CNN.

""It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan," Gen. David Petraeus said in a statement issued Monday ...

"Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday," he said. "Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult."

"Mr. Jones, the pastor of the center in Gainesville, Florida, has touted the activity as "International Burn the Koran Day." Jones also authored a book titled "Islam is of the Devil," which has a Facebook page and Twitter account.

In remarks published by Florida radio station WOKV on Tuesday morning, Jones insisted he would not be deterred.

""We think the message is that important," said Pastor Terry Jones. "We can not back down just because of fear, because if we back down, it won't make Islam any more moderate" said Jones.

"On Monday, some 500 people gathered in Kabul to protest the Florida church's plans, and to demand the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan, according to the Associated Press. (See video)

That followed protests outside the US embassy in Jakarta on Sunday, when thousands gathered to protest the planned Koran-burning as an insult to Islam, according to CNN.

More than 1,000 people have already signed a US-launched online petition against the planned Koran-burning, according to a letter published in the Gainesville Sun. The letter was one of many posted by the Sun opposing the pastor's plans. The link to the petition was not active as of Tuesday morning East Coast time.

Even an armed Christian militia called "Right Wing Extreme" has disassociated itself from the event, according to the blog Christianity Today. CNN had reported that the group was to provide security for the event, according to Christianity Today.

Meanwhile, readers posting at the "Right Wing Extreme" forum argued bitterly over the event. "This could be the stupidest idea ever in the history of stupid ideas," wrote one who identified himself as "Kevin."

Jones told the New York Times in an interview last month that he had a right to burn the Koran because "it's full of lies." He disagreed that the activity could put US troops in danger and said his church had received death threats.

"“We have to be careful,” he said. He tapped a holster on the right hip of his jean shorts; it held a .40-caliber pistol, which he said he was licensed to carry. “The overall response,” he added, “has been much greater than we expected.”

Mr. Jones who seems to spend much of his time inside a dank, dark office with a poster from the movie “Braveheart” and a picture of former President George W. Bush, appears to be largely oblivious to the potential consequences of his plans. Speaking in short sentences with a matter-of-fact drawl, he said that he could not understand why other Christians, including the nation’s largest evangelical association, had called for him to cancel “International Burn a Koran Day.”

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September 7, 2010
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I agree, I think it is a stupid idea and I personally would never burn a book no matter how much I disagreed with it. However, do they have the Constitutional right to do so, and if so, should they lose their Constitutional right to do this?

And again, I would like to ask, what makes Islam untouchable and Christianity fair game?

September 7, 2010
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Who is willing to strike the match if you know it will kill someone, and call it their Constitutional Right? There is a responsibilty to how one uses his Constitutional Rights, and sometimes excersizing them is not without harm. Discression many times is the key to preserving those rights for a better use, on a better day, realizing not doing somethings is for the better good.

That said, I do not regard this kind of an act, consistant with you name being the "Dove World Outreach Center". They are certainly not any Christian Religion or represent Christians with this act.

September 7, 2010
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"qmark" wrote: I agree, I think it is a stupid idea and I personally would never burn a book no matter how much I disagreed with it. However, do they have the Constitutional right to do so, and if so, should they lose their Constitutional right to do this?

And again, I would like to ask, what makes Islam untouchable and Christianity fair game?

Burning the Quran, like burning the American flag, comes under freedom of expression. Yes, they have the right. Everyone in America should be allowed to fully express their rights, no matter how stupid their actions may be.

September 8, 2010
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"qmark" wrote: I agree, I think it is a stupid idea and I personally would never burn a book no matter how much I disagreed with it. However, do they have the Constitutional right to do so, and if so, should they lose their Constitutional right to do this?

And again, I would like to ask, what makes Islam untouchable and Christianity fair game?

I don't think that Islam is untouchable, so much as I think Islamics think Islam is untouchable. In the sense that, while burning bibles would piss Christians off a great deal, only a very few and far-between nutters and zealots would threaten to kill people for doing it. You certainly wouldn't get the pope or entire church sects calling for an equivalent of a jihad, but you'll probably get exactly that in responce to organized quran burnings.

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September 8, 2010
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Well its going to stir alot more.
Problem is, these people could hardly help themselves if they wanted to. Thats how it is with alot of people right now, they just can't resist to do what they want, and some could careless where their actions lead. If they burn the quran, nothing good is going to come from it, but at the same time, people are beginning to know these things and just not care, they want change in the world, whether it causes chaos, fear, death to people.

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September 8, 2010
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"mrshumphreys" wrote:
I don't think that Islam is untouchable, so much as I think Islamics think Islam is untouchable. In the sense that, while burning bibles would piss Christians off a great deal, only a very few and far-between nutters and zealots would threaten to kill people for doing it. You certainly wouldn't get the pope or entire church sects calling for an equivalent of a jihad, but you'll probably get exactly that in responce to organized quran burnings.

You know, MM, I really can't argue with you. I agree, although I think there is a certain amount of PC within our country that seems to make Islam untouchable.

September 8, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: Well its going to stir alot more.
Problem is, these people could hardly help themselves if they wanted to. Thats how it is with alot of people right now, they just can't resist to do what they want, and some could careless where their actions lead. If they burn the quran, nothing good is going to come from it, but at the same time, people are beginning to know these things and just not care, they want change in the world, whether it causes chaos, fear, death to people.

Ah-ha, so you think they are doing this to provoke change? To what ends?

September 8, 2010
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Last year the same group passed out T-Shirts that said in bold letters on the front, "Islam is of the Devil."

I guess that didn't get the attention they obviously crave, so they upped the ante to burning Qurans.

They have the right to do it, but shouldn't.

Just like the (at least partially terrorist funded) Mosque can legally be built @ ground zero, but shouldn't.

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