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ARE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WARMONGERS?
September 16, 2011
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Zionist Christians are brainwashed by Jews pretending to be Christians. Just like Scofield who created false interpretations of the Bible under sponsorship of the Rothschild Banking Dynasty.

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Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:19 PM

Subject: ARE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WARMONGERS? By Chuck Baldwin September 15, 2011

Now here's an honest appraisal of the predicament faced by those who profess to be Christian yet see the problems that the fundies are creating.

http://www.newswithviews.com/b.....win666.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/b.....win666.htm

ARE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WARMONGERS?

By Chuck Baldwin
September 15, 2011
http://www.NewsWithViews.com

I’ve been an evangelical Christian since I was a child. I’ve been in the Gospel ministry all of my adult life. I attended two evangelical Christian colleges, received honorary degrees from two others, and taught and preached in several others. I’ve attended many of the largest evangelical pastors’ gatherings and have been privileged to speak at Christian gatherings--large and small--all over America. I have been part of the inner workings of evangelical ministry for nearly 40 years. I think I learned a thing or two about evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity in America. And I’m here to tell you: I don’t like what I see happening these days!

Let’s get this straight right out of the gate: nothing touched by man can be perfect, because none of us is perfect. There is no perfect church, perfect school, perfect mission board, perfect Sunday School class, perfect pastor, perfect deacon, or perfect Christian. Until the afterlife, we are all yet encased in Adamic flesh, complete with human weaknesses and imperfections. And only the Pharisaical among us are too proud to admit it.

That said, I do think it is more than fair to say that, historically, Christians have always attempted to be--and have always publicly taught the importance of being--peacemakers. Historically, Christians have preached--and tried to practice--love and brotherhood. The early church was born in a baptism of love and unity. Oh sure, there were always individual misunderstandings and differences, but, on the whole, the church was a loving, caring, compassionate ecclesia.

Mind you, Christians historically were not afraid or ashamed to defend themselves, their families, and their country. The Lord Jesus, Himself (the Prince of Peace), allowed His disciples to carry personal defense weapons (see Luke 22:36,38). Yes, while some Christian sects were conscientious pacifists, these were the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of Christian believers understood the Biblical, Natural Law principle of self-defense. But believing in the right of lawful, God-ordained self-defense was never to be confused with warmongering.

So, what has happened to turn the most peace-loving institution the world has ever known (the New Testament church) into the biggest cheerleaders for war? I’m talking about un-provoked, illegal, unconstitutional, unbiblical--even secret--wars of aggression.

The biggest cheerleaders for the unprovoked, unconstitutional, pre-emptive attack and invasion of Iraq were evangelical Christians. Ditto for the war in Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, the attacks in Yemen, etc. Who is calling for the bombing of Iran? Evangelical Christians. Who cheers for sending more and more troops all over the world to maim and kill more and more people (including innocents)? Evangelical Christians. Shoot (pun intended)! Most evangelical Christians didn’t even bat an eye when the federal government sent military and police personnel to murder American citizens, including old men, women, and children--Christian old men, women, and children, no less--outside Waco, Texas.

And where are today’s evangelical Christians giving a second thought regarding their fellow Christian brothers and sisters in many of these Middle Eastern countries that are being persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, and killed by the puppet regimes being put in power by the US government--at US taxpayer (including Christian taxpayer) expense? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but more Christians have been persecuted under the US-imposed regime in Iraq than were ever persecuted when Saddam Hussein was in power. Oh! And don’t forget that it was the US government that was responsible for putting Saddam Hussein in power to begin with. The US government set up Osama bin Laden, too. But I digress.

In addition to the “white” wars (the ones everyone knows about), the US government authorizes some 70 black ops commando raids in some 120 countries EVERY DAY. In fact, the secret, black ops military of the US is so large today it now totals more personnel than the ENTIRE MILITARY OF CANADA!

A recent report noted, “In 120 countries across the globe, troops from Special Operations Command carry out their secret war of high-profile assassinations, low-level targeted killings, capture/kidnap operations, kick-down-the-door night raids, joint operations with foreign forces, and training missions with indigenous partners as part of a shadowy conflict unknown to most Americans. Once ‘special’ for being small, lean, outsider outfits, today they are special for their power, access, influence, and aura.”

See the complete report of America’s secret wars here

Yet, how much of this knowledge would even faze the average evangelical Christian today? All we hear from today’s “churches” is “bomb,” “attack,” “wipe them out,” etc. Then, at the same time, they get all emotional about sending missionaries to the same countries that they had just cheered-on the US military in raining down missiles of death and destruction upon (to bring salvation to the lucky ones that weren’t killed, I suppose).

And who are the ones that belittle and impugn Ron Paul? Evangelical Christians. Why? Because he tells the truth about America’s foreign policy being responsible for much of the hatred and bitterness erupting in foreign countries against us. I guarantee you that many of the “conservative” Republicans who booed Dr. Paul’s comments to this regard at the GOP Presidential debate this week would identify themselves as evangelical Christians.

See the report here.

The disciples of our Lord were called “Christians” first by the Gentiles of Antioch, because of the manner in which the disciples reminded them of Christ’s nature and teachings. I never thought I would hear myself say what I’m about to say, but the truth is, the term “Christian” today means anything but Christ-like. To many people today, “Christian” refers to some warmongering, mean-spirited, throw-anyone-to-the-wolves-who-crosses-them person, who then has the audacity to look down their nose in contempt against anyone who disagrees with them for even the smallest reason. And the word “church” has the stigma of being simply an enclave of warmongers to many people today. And that, my friends, is one reason so many people are so turned off with today’s Christianity. And I can’t say that I blame them. I’m turned off too!

Am I a pacifist? Absolutely not! Do I believe an individual, a family, a community, or a nation has the right to protect and defend itself? I absolutely do! And the fellow who breaks into my home or who attacks my loved ones will personally discover I believe that! But this blind support for illegal, immoral, unconstitutional war is anything but Christian. Not only is it turning people against our country among people abroad, it is turning our own countrymen against the Christ we Christians claim to love right here at home.

I dare say that the modern Warfare State would grind to a screeching halt tomorrow if evangelical Christians would simply stop supporting it! And the thing that most evangelical Christians fail to realize is that the Warfare State is one of the primary tools that the evil one is using to usher in his devilish New World Order that even babes in Christ know to be of Satan. Hence, Christians are helping to promote the very thing that Satan, himself, is using to enslave them.

Yes, I’ve been an evangelical Christian for most of my life and an evangelical pastor for all of my adult life. And if we Christians do not quickly repent of this bloodlust that seems to dominate evangelical Christianity today (spiritually and militarily), the word that was first used by un-churched Gentiles to describe Christ’s followers will be used as a curse-word to describe those who facilitated the ruination of our country.

September 17, 2011
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Zoltan 2,

Tell me that you ..in like manner to Event Horizon and others...did not just go to public school and now are qualified to make such nonsense as you post to be the "Gospel " of everything.

Do you not know that to a believer and particularly those very heavily steeped and educated in the "Faith" that the word Peace...does not mean an absence of strife?

To the "Faithful" Peace is the name of a person. Not an absence of strife.

Yet here you base your entire post on peace being or meaning an absence of strife.

Howbeit that you do not recognize this historical trend and knowledge?? Is your education not complete??

Do not worry..for it is obvious that many of the Believers here do not keep this in mind as well.

Peace is one of the names among many ...of Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins.

The believer does not look for an absence of strife in this world as if it is the Gospel of the Lord Jesus the Christ for remission of Sins. For it is not.

Once one knows and is convinced of this Truth it makes posts like yours look silly.

What is of interest to me is that the author you are quoting does not clear this up about the Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins. Thus making me wonder if his religious educaction is incomplete...even his Secular Education.

You attempt ..just like the body politic and public education ..to substitute privily and by slight of hand...an absence of strife for the Word. They are not the same.

However ..as a sidelight in this narrative...Ron Paul is exactly correct on fiscal policy and money being a Biblical system of just weights and measures...just as is the measuring spoons or cups in Momma's kitchen also a system of just weights and measures.
I believe Ron Paul knows about the Occult powers and how they have seduced leaders and the body politic of most nations....without their peoples being awares of what is happening.

Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq are slated to be turned back over to the very peoples we are supposedly fighting against...thus demonstrating to those versed in it...the Occult hand of that is controlling politics. A total reversal of what was claimed before these wars began.
These wars like many before them...has been hijacked by the very people leading it...they are following the dictum's of those we claim to be fighting against. For Lucre.
It is not just Christians being fooled and deceived here..but Americans and many others around the world.

Libya and the "Rebels" have been armed not by Com Block weapons..but mostly by European weapons. By Westerners. IN particular by the FN/FAL rifle in the hands of so many "Rebels."
These weapons are not stored in the USA in any quantities..but in Europe.

Europeans are going to be surprised by what is going to happen in Libya and what they have supported. The European Occult powers will not be surprised..but the average European will be. And Europeans are anything but Christian now days.

And Americans by a process of Television and movie educations and public school which is becoming the same thing..are being stamped out just like Europeans and particularly Englishmen. Anything but Christian.

Your tack is to put this onus off on Christians and particularly Fundamentalists Christians. You are mistaken here. You like many atheists and those of human logic and reason need to find your version of a bogeyman.

The average American of all walks is to react to the word Dictator or Strong man with predictable results. The same with the word Hitler. It is guaranteed to put most on the predictable bandwagon. Public education has guaranteed this mental control. No thinking going on ..only emotional reaction. This is how they whore Americans and others out to the next cause with pubic support needed..or at least public to be silent.

Many on the Left are about to find out with shock and disappointment what this country working with the Occult powers has bred in Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. These countries are about to be put into storage by the Occult powers. TPTB.

Be prepared to move over for Sharia Law in your own country as this template is sponsored and encouraged by Occult means over your own peoples.

The word "Peace" to a knowledgeable Believer..does not mean an absence of strife. It is the name of Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins...among many of His names.

You should keep this in mind while looking for Bogeymen in your secular thinking posts.
You are following the same blame game as the body politic of today. Always looking for bad guys...good cop/ bad cop. And the body politic..who finance pubic education... are not Christian..anything but Christian. They are Occult...hidden and concealed in their inner workings.
This is becoming more and more obvious to thinking Americans or individuals who have not bought into the religious mantra of public education.

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September 17, 2011
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Hey I just posted what Radical Press and what Chuck Baldwin wrote.
Not one word is mine. I just wanted to have some feed back and comments on this
By the way I am not atheist. And I against the Sharia Law or any religion that wants to impose its religious views on anyone.

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Zoltan2,

Hey I just posted what Radical Press and what Chuck Baldwin wrote.
Not one word is mine. I just wanted to have some feed back and comments on this
By the way I am not atheist. And I against the Sharia Law or any religion that wants to impose its religious views on anyone.

Ahhh...thanks for clarifying for me.

Radical Press..Ok..that explains alot.

I looked up the initial sources. It was quickly apparent what the source of thinking was behind radical press.

I too do not have much use for anyone or any group attempting to put their ways or religion over on me...including secularism/humanism.

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Hey I just posted what Radical Press and what Chuck Baldwin wrote.
Not one word is mine.

Yes Zoltan, and thats what you are doing over in the war and government conspiracy forums. Just posting copy and pasted anti american propaganda, just like this is anti-Christian propaganda. War mongering is a rather misused term around here. I'm supose to be a war Monger because I worked in the defence industry, and was told I retired off Boeing killing people. You have posted dozens of links on one post, to which I challenged you for not reading any of it. You even told me, I could not go out of my comfort zone, and a few other choice comments, for not swallowing it. One after another, you posted things so long, and full of links, each one would be weeks of research, yet you blasted off 20 of them in a week, and had times for things here from "The Radical Press".

So what did you just say here? "Hey I just posted what someone else said, none of it is my word". You didn;t just tell OT, I read every word and believe every bit of it. You also didn't tell him what a ninny he is for not believing it, like you told me. But you told me you have read every word of your new posts in the other forums, and beleive them.

ARe you saying this link is totally untrue, or do you beleive the war monger theory?

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"greeney2" wrote:

Hey I just posted what Radical Press and what Chuck Baldwin wrote.
Not one word is mine.

Yes Zoltan, and thats what you are doing over in the war and government conspiracy forums. Just posting copy and pasted anti american propaganda, just like this is anti-Christian propaganda. War mongering is a rather misused term around here. I'm supose to be a war Monger because I worked in the defence industry, and was told I retired off Boeing killing people. You have posted dozens of links on one post, to which I challenged you for not reading any of it. You even told me, I could not go out of my comfort zone, and a few other choice comments, for not swallowing it. One after another, you posted things so long, and full of links, each one would be weeks of research, yet you blasted off 20 of them in a week, and had times for things here from "The Radical Press".

So what did you just say here? "Hey I just posted what someone else said, none of it is my word". You didn;t just tell OT, I read every word and believe every bit of it. You also didn't tell him what a ninny he is for not believing it, like you told me. But you told me you have read every word of your new posts in the other forums, and beleive them.

ARe you saying this link is totally untrue, or do you beleive the war monger theory?

First of all I do not understand why you are getting on your high horse.
I am far from being anti American. The majority of the posts are from Americans. And a very big portion of Americans beleive that their is something very wrong with the official 911 report.
And yes I do beleive some evangelist and other Christians are war wongers too.
Yes I read the following comments that I am posting below
Christianity and War
By pollywog

by Laurence M. Vance

Recently by Laurence M. Vance: Nuke ’Em and God Will Bless You

This talk was given on August 20 at the Florida Liberty Summit 2011 in Orlando, Florida.

Thank you Campaign for Liberty for the opportunity to speak about a subject I feel so passionate about. I would like to speak to you today about Christianity and War. Although I am a Bible-believing Christian and a theological and cultural conservative, I write extensively about the biblical, economic, and political fallacies of religious people, and especially on the topic of Christianity and war. This is a subject where ignorance abounds in both pulpit and pew, and most of it willful ignorance. This is a subject that exposes Bible scholars as Bible illiterates. This is a subject that turns Christians into disgraceful apologists of the state, its leaders, its military, and its wars. This is a subject that reveals pro-life Christians to be two-faced supporters of wholesale murder.

If there is any group of people that should be opposed to war, torture, militarism, the warfare state, state worship, suppression of civil liberties, an imperial presidency, blind nationalism, government propaganda, and an aggressive foreign policy it is Christians, and especially conservative, evangelical, and fundamentalist Christians who claim to strictly follow the dictates of Scripture and worship the Prince of Peace. It is indeed strange that Christian people should be so accepting of war. War is the greatest suppressor of civil liberties. War is the greatest destroyer of religion, morality, and decency. War is the greatest creator of fertile ground for genocides and atrocities. War is the greatest destroyer of families and young lives. War is the greatest creator of famine, disease, and homelessness. War is the health of the state.

But modern-day Christianity is in a sad state. There is an unholy desire on the part of a great many Christians to legitimize killing in war. There persists the idea among too many Christians that mass killing in war is acceptable, but the killing of one’s neighbor violates the sixth commandment’s prohibition against killing. Christians who wouldn’t think of using the Lord’s name in vain blaspheme God when they make ridiculous statements like "God is pro-war." Christians who try never to lie do so with boldness when they claim they are pro-life, but refuse to extend their pro-life sentiments to foreigners already out of the womb. Christians who abhor idols are guilty of idolatry when they say that we should follow the latest dictates of the state because we should always "obey the powers that be." Christians who venerate the Bible handle the word of God deceitfully when they quote Scripture to defend the latest U.S. military action. Christians who claim to be dispensationalists wrongly divide the word of truth when they appeal to the Old Testament to justify U.S. government wars. Christians who claim to have the mind of Christ show that they have lost their mind when they want the full force of government to protect a stem cell, but have no conscience about U.S. soldiers killing for the government.

Many Christians have a warped view of what it means to be pro-life. Why is it that foreigners don’t have the same right to life as unborn American babies? There should be no difference between being for abortion and for war. Both result in the death of innocents. Both are unnecessary. Both cause psychological harm to the one who signs a consent form or fires a weapon. Why is it that to many Christians an American doctor in a white coat is considered a murderer if he kills an unborn baby, but an American soldier in a uniform is considered a hero if he kills an adult? In January of every year, many churches observe Sanctity of Human Life Sunday. Fine, but we need ministers who are as concerned about killing on the battlefield as they are about killing in the womb.

Much of the blame for Christian support for war must be laid at the feet of the pastors and church leaders who have failed to discern the truth themselves so they can educate their congregations. They are blind leaders of the blind. It is tragic that many so-called Christian leaders moonlight as apologists for the Republican Party. Many pastors are cheerleaders for current U.S. wars. We hear more from pulpits today justifying American military intervention throughout the world than we do about the need for missionaries to go into all the world. Our churches have supplied more soldiers to the Middle East than missionaries. It is appalling that instead of the next U.S. military adventure being denounced from every pulpit in the land, it will be conservative preachers who can be counted on to defend it.

If there is any group within Christianity that should be the most consistent, the most vocal, the most persistent, and the most scriptural in its opposition to war and the warfare state, it is conservative Christians who look to the Bible as their sole authority. Yet, never at any time in history have so many of these Christians held such unholy opinions. The association they have with the Republican Party is unholy. The admiration they have for the military is unholy. The indifference they have toward war is unholy. The callous attitude they have toward the deaths of foreigners is unholy. The idolatry they manifest toward the state is unholy.

The result of Christian support for war reminds me of a story in the Old Testament about two sons of the patriarch Jacob. In order to avenge the rape of their sister by some foreigners, the sons of Jacob told their leader that if his people consented to be circumcised, then both groups of people could intermarry and the rapist could have their sister to wife. However, after all the foreigners were circumcised, when they were sore, two sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, came and slew all the men who were incapacitated and spoiled their city. When their father Jacob heard about this, he told his sons: "Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land."

Christian armchair warriors, Christian Coalition moralists, Religious Right warvangelicals, reich-wing Christian nationalists, theocon Values Voters, imperial Christians, Red-State Christian fascists, God and country Christian bumpkins, and other Christian warmongers have made Christians to stink among the non-Christian inhabitants of the United States. After almost ten years of the senseless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, some of the greatest defenders of these wars continue to be Christians. The morality of going to war in the first place, as well as the number of dead and wounded Iraqis and Afghans, is of absolutely no concern to most American Christians. Every dead American solider is, of course, a hero, no matter where he fought, what his motive was, or how he died.

Support for the war on terror among Christians remains so pervasive that I’m inclined to agree with Mark Twain in saying that "if Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be – a Christian." I’m sorry to say that blind acceptance of government propaganda, willful ignorance of U.S. foreign policy, persistent support of the Republican Party, and childish devotion to the military are the norm among the majority of conservative Christians instead of the exception.

Non-Christian Americans should know that Christian enthusiasm for war and the warfare state is a perversion of Christianity, an affront to the Saviour whom Christians worship as the Prince of Peace, a violation of Scripture, contrary to the whole tenor of the New Testament, and an unfortunate demonstration of the profound ignorance many Christians have of history and their own Bible.

The early Christians were not warmongers like so many Christians today. They did not idolize the Caesars like some Christians do Republican presidents. They did not make apologies for the Roman Empire like many Christians do for the U.S. Empire. They did not venerate the institution of the military like most Christians do today. They did not participate in the state’s wars like too many Christians do today. If there was anything at all advocated by the early Christians it was peace and nonviolence.

Aggression, violence, and bloodshed are contrary to the very nature of Christianity. There is nothing in the New Testament from which to draw the conclusion that killing is somehow sanctified if it is done in the name of the state. As explained by the famed nineteenth-century British Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon: "The Church of Christ is continually represented under the figure of an army; yet its Captain is the Prince of Peace; its object is the establishment of peace, and its soldiers are men of a peaceful disposition. The spirit of war is at the extremely opposite point to the spirit of the gospel."

There has, unfortunately, persisted throughout history the theologically schizophrenic idea among some Christians that mass killing in war is acceptable, but the killing of one’s neighbor violates the sixth commandment. I have termed this the Humpty Dumpty approach. But as the aforementioned Spurgeon said: "If there be anything which this book denounces and counts the hugest of all crimes, it is the crime of war. Put up thy sword into thy sheath, for hath not he said, ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ and he meant not that it was a sin to kill one but a glory to kill a million, but he meant that bloodshed on the smallest or largest scale was sinful."

Back before the so-called Civil War in the United States, a Baptist minister writing in the Christian Review demonstrated that Christian war fever was contrary to the New Testament: "Christianity requires us to seek to amend the condition of man. But war cannot do this. The world is no better for all the wars of five thousand years. Christianity, if it prevailed, would make the earth a paradise. War, where it prevails, makes it a slaughter-house, a den of thieves, a brothel, a hell. Christianity cancels the laws of retaliation. War is based upon that very principle. Christianity is the remedy for all human woes. War produces every woe known to man." There is nothing "liberal" about opposition to war. There is nothing "anti-American" about opposition to militarism. And what could be more Christian than standing firmly against aggression, violence, and bloodshed?

So when did the early church go astray? Undoubtedly, it was the accession to power of the emperor Constantine. When the empire allied itself with the church, it was the church that changed more than the empire. Instead of spreading Christianity by persuasion and being persecuted for it, some Christians began persecuting those who could not be persuaded. This Constantinian mindset is alive and well today. When Jerry Falwell said that America should chase down terrorists all over the world and "blow them all away in the name of the Lord," he was expressing a sentiment widely held by conservative Christians.

After Constantine came just war theory.

War is mentioned over two hundred times in the Bible. The overwhelming majority of these instances concern in some way the nation of Israel. This fact is extremely important, because the president of the United States is not God, America is not the nation of Israel, the U.S. military is not the Lord’s army, the Christian’s sword is the word of God, and the only warfare the New Testament encourages the Christian to wage is against the world, the flesh, and the devil.

But just war theory has nothing to do with war in the Bible. Christian just war theory began as the attempt by Augustine to reconcile Christian participation in warfare with the morality of New Testament Christianity. In its essence, just war theory concerns the use of force: when force should be used and what kind of force is acceptable. The timing of force relates to a country’s justification for the initiation of war or military action; the nature of force relates to how military activity is conducted once a country commits to use force. The principle of the just war is actually many principles, all of which must be met for a war to be considered just. A just war must have a just cause, be in proportion to the gravity of the situation, have obtainable objectives, be preceded by a public declaration, be declared only by legitimate authority, and only be undertaken as a last resort. A war that is not justifiable is nothing short of mass murder.

Yet, just war theory is untenable because it is difficult to know with sufficient confidence whether all of its conditions have been met, because some of its tenets are impossible to realize, because the criteria of just war theory are too flexible, because it contradicts itself in that it sanctions the killing of innocents, which it at the same time prohibits, and because it is used to justify rather than to prevent war. Indeed, just war theory can be used effectively by all sides to justify all wars. Every government, every ruler, every soldier, every citizen – they all think their country’s wars are just.

Just war theory says that a war is just if certain conditions and rules are observed. But how can you make rules for slaughter and mayhem? By sanctifying war while attempting to curtail its manner and frequency, just war theory merely allowed Christians to make peace with war. That just war theory is used to defend the war in Iraq shows just how useless it is. Waging the war in Iraq is against every Christian just war principle that has ever been formulated.

But not only is just war theory not based on Scripture, it is rooted in blind obedience to the state, which, the last time I read my Bible, is not a tenet of New Testament Christianity. War is nothing but a form of state-sponsored violence. It is the state that decides to go to war, not the people, most of whom want nothing to do with war. The state always claims that it is acting defensively, has the right intention, has the proper authority, is undertaking war as a last resort, has a high probability of success, and that a war will achieve good that is proportionally greater than the damage to life, limb, and property that it will cause. What good is just war theory if it can be used by both sides in a conflict?

After just war theory came the Crusades, where conquest was conflated with conversion, followed by the continual wars of religion among European Christians. The ultimate picture of the folly of war is the bloodbath perpetrated by the Christian nations in World War I. From 1914 to 1918, in battle after senseless battle, Christian soldiers in World War I shot, bombed, torpedoed, burned, gassed, bayoneted, and starved each other and civilians until twenty million of them were wounded and another twenty million lay dead. The conduct of Christians in the United States before and during the Great War was shameful.

But even without the massive government propaganda campaign that was undertaken during World War I, we see the same shameful conduct among Christians regarding the war in Iraq. When Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq in March of 2003 with the announcement that our cause was just, Christians lined up in droves to support their president. They enlisted in the military. They put "W" stickers and yellow ribbons on their cars. They implored us in church to pray for the troops. They began reciting their patriotic sloganeering, their God-and-country rhetoric, and their "obey the powers that be" mantra. They dusted off their books on just war theory. They denounced Christian opponents of the war as unpatriotic, anti-American, liberals, pacifists, traitors, or Quakers.

Why? Why have so many religious people gotten it so wrong? As I have explained in many of my articles on Christianity and war over the years, there are many reasons: thinking that the war in Iraq was in retaliation for the 9/11 attacks, believing that Saddam Hussein was another Hitler, supposing that Iraq was a threat to the United States, seeing the war in Iraq as a modern-day crusade against Islam, assuming that the United States needed to protect Israel from Iraq, viewing Bush as a messiah figure, equating the Republican Party with the party of God, blindly following the conservative movement, deeming the American state to be a divine institution, failing to separate the divine sanction of war against the enemies of God in the Old Testament from the New Testament ethic that taught otherwise, having a profound ignorance of history and primitive Christianity, reading too much into the mention of soldiers in the New Testament, possessing a warped "God and Country" complex, holding a "my country right or wrong" attitude, and adopting the mindset that brute force is barbarism when individuals use it, but honorable when nations are guilty of it.

I believe the two greatest reasons religious people have gotten things so wrong are American exceptionalism and American militarism.

Many Christians are guilty of nationalistic and political idolatry. They have bought into a variety of American nationalism that has been called the myth of American exceptionalism. This is the idea that the government of the United States is morally and politically superior to all other governments, that American leaders are exempt from the bad characteristics of the leaders of other countries, that the U.S. government should be trusted even as the governments of other countries should be distrusted, that the United States is the indispensable nation responsible for the peace and prosperity of the world, that the motives of the United States are always benevolent and paternalistic, that foreign governments should conform to the policies of the U.S. government, that most other nations are potential enemies that threaten U.S. safety and security, and that the United States is morally justified in imposing sanctions or launching military attacks against any country that refuses to conform to our dictates. These are the tenets of American exceptionalism.

The result of this American exceptionalism is a foreign policy that is aggressive, reckless, belligerent, and meddling. This is why U.S. foreign policy results in discord, strife, hatred, and terrorism toward the United States. We would never tolerate another country engaging in an American-style foreign policy. How many countries are allowed to build military bases and station troops in the United States? It is the height of arrogance to insist that the United States alone has the right to garrison the planet with bases, station troops wherever it wants, intervene in the affairs of other countries, and be the world’s policeman, fireman, social worker, security guard, mediator, and babysitter.

The other reason religious people have gotten things so wrong is American militarism. Americans love the military, and American Christians are no exception. There is an unseemly alliance that exists between certain sectors of Christianity and the military. Even Christians who are otherwise sound in the faith, who treasure the Constitution, who don’t support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and who oppose an aggressive U.S. foreign policy get indignant when you question the institution of the military. It doesn’t seem to matter the reason for each war or intrusion into the affairs of another country. It doesn’t seem to matter how long U.S. troops remain after the initial intervention. It doesn’t seem to matter how many foreign civilians are killed or injured. It doesn’t seem to matter how many billions of dollars are spent by the military. It doesn’t even seem to matter what the troops are actually doing – Americans in general, and American Christians in particular, believe in supporting the troops no matter what. Americans are repulsed by the serial killer who, to satisfy the most basest of desires, dismembers his victims; but revere the bomber pilot in the stratosphere who, flying above the clouds, never hears the screams of his victims or sees the flesh torn from their bones. Killing women and children from five feet is viewed as an atrocity, but from five thousand feet it is a heroic act. It is sometimes suspicious when a soldier kills up close, but never when he launches a missile from afar.

Christians of all branches and denominations have a love affair with the military. To question the military in any way – its size, its budget, its efficiency, its bureaucracy, its contractors, its weaponry, its mission, its effectiveness, its foreign interventions – is to question America itself. One can condemn the size of government, but never the size of the military. One can criticize federal spending, but never military spending. One can denounce government bureaucrats, but never military brass. One can depreciate the welfare state, but never the warfare state. One can expose government abuses, but never military abuses. One can label domestic policy as socialistic, but never foreign policy as imperialistic.

It is the U.S. government that is the greatest threat to American life, liberty, property, and peace – not the leaders or the military or the people of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, or Yemen. And as James Madison said: "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." Christians should vigorously dissent the next time some warmongering politician says there is some great evil in the world that must be stamped out by the U.S. military. As John Quincy Adams said: "America . . . goes not abroad seeking monsters to destroy." Christians should stop regarding the state’s acts of aggression as benevolent. Christians should stop presuming divine support for U.S. military interventions. And because just war theory merely allows Christians to make peace with war, they should reject it just as they would any theory of just piracy or just terrorism or just murder. It is Christians that should be leading the way toward peace and a foreign policy of nonintervention. It is Christians that should be leading the way toward the ideas of Ron Paul.

August 22, 2011

Laurence M. Vance writes from central Florida. He is the author of Christianity and War and Other Essays Against the Warfare State, The Revolution that Wasn't, and Rethinking the Good War. His latest book is The Quatercentenary of the King James Bible. Visit his website.

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Zionist Christians are brainwashed by Jews pretending to be Christians.

This seems to be the caliber, copied from places with no truth to any of it. Don't tell me I'm on my high horse when you denegrate me for not swallowing your boloney links. It is what it is, which here is anti christian propaganda, and in the other forums anti american propaganda. When its 20 in a row some with dozens of links, it becomes an agenda.

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"greeney2" wrote:

Zionist Christians are brainwashed by Jews pretending to be Christians.

This seems to be the caliber, copied from places with no truth to any of it. Don't tell me I'm on my high horse when you denegrate me for not swallowing your boloney links. It is what it is, which here is anti christian propaganda, and in the other forums anti american propaganda. When its 20 in a row some with dozens of links, it becomes an agenda.

I have not degraded you but only voice out my opinion and of others who are most American like you..
I tough America was about liberty for all and of freedom of speech.
I guess one at the Black vault cannot voice out one's opinion without being label anti christian and anti American.
Greeny2 are you the speech control gestapo office of the black vault or the catholic inquisition metaphorically speaking on the verge of condemning me as an heretic.
It sounds just like when we criticize Jews the first thing they do is label us like anti-Semitic.
I have no agenda. It was the commemoration of 10 years of 911. I just wanted to bring some light on the subject especially with new evidence.

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I guess one at the Black vault cannot voice out one's opinion without being label anti christian and anti American.
Greeny2 are you the speech control gestapo office of the black vault or the catholic inquisition metaphorically speaking on the verge of condemning me as an heretic.

When your opinion offends, expect it right back at you here, it isn't just me. You just labeled Christians "warmongers" in your title. Like I said, that term has been misused around here alot. I defend what I think is an unfair attack on something, or a lie, or something just plain stupid like the Cross lawsuit. This forum has evolved into nothing but an anti-christian forum.

I have been called and label everything in the book here, from Baby killers, facists, and making my living off murdering people working for Boeing. If you defended Bush you were a "warmonger and supported torture". We even killed 650,000 innocent people in Iraq. Yet those who scream the loudest are the ones called "anti-american" while they are calling us "Gestapo". Just surf around this forum and see a few labels that were given out by the Atheists, for believing in God. Nothing has been more below the belt, nor as offensive as they have been here. Nobody was a rank as some of the anti-war posters, one happened to have a posting name know-one. Nobody has been edited or deleted for any opinion in any forum ever, by the so called gestapo. You talk about anti-semetic comments, that standard is not applied to this forum, with regards to Christians or Catholics. One of your posts you even call jews, "dirty rotton jews" in the war forum. Don't cry about labels, your hands are not clean.

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For some people, an opinion that differs from their own is offensive. Get up and run old horse.

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