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September 28, 2010
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 19a12.html

If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist.

The survey found that most American Protestants don't know Martin Luther inspired the Protestant Reformation.

Forty-five percent of American Catholics are unaware Catholicism teaches that bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ during communion, the survey showed.

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September 28, 2010
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This is evidence of what many of the Christians have been saying here. When someone says their Christian, or even Catholic, often times what they really mean is, they go to Church once in a while and don't really think about it much beyond that.

A lot of times the question comes up: Why did Jesus say "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." ... when there are billions of believers in the world?

The answer, judging by what Jesus said if not judging by common sense and at1with0's post, is: Saying one is Christian doesn't make one Christian.

Of course, I'll be attacked soon enough... "A hypocrite like you is a perfect example of a fake Christian!" 👿

Yeah, yeah, I know. I've heard it since the day I transformed and I'll hear it 'til the day I die. God will be the judge of that.

Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein

September 28, 2010
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Indeed, false self-labeling probably has a lot to do with skewing the results.

There are those in every belief system who actually think about their belief system and, of course, a lot who don't.

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September 28, 2010
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If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist.

Our atheists here were asked to read and proove their points directly from reading the Bible, they would not do it.

Forty-five percent of American Catholics are unaware Catholicism teaches that bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ during communion, the survey showed.

What percent of Atheists knew why since they are so knowlegable?

September 28, 2010
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at1with0,

you posted.

If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist.

followed by ...

The survey found that most American Protestants don't know Martin Luther inspired the Protestant Reformation.

Forty-five percent of American Catholics are unaware Catholicism teaches that bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ during communion, the survey showed.

Athiests, Gnostics, Wise men, and other assorted intellectuals like to quote numbers...volume to represent Christianity.

Christianity was and still is ..never dependent on numbers or volume. It is dependent on the Lord doing his work and for His Purposes.

As to the bread and wine literally becoming the body and blood of Christ..not possible since the sacrafice was made "once" ...not over and over and over by a priest. THis knowlege demonstrates to those who know and Believe...that Roman Catholicism is not Christian but disguised paganism. A counterfeit attempting to pass as Christian. This is one reason so many of intellect must push Roman Catholocism as if it represents all of Christianity by default.
What Roman Catholocism is ...is of Ishmael and not Issac.

And in case you dont know...there were people around long before Martin Luther who did not adhere to Roman Catholocism and practiced their Beliefs independently in Europe. These people began in the River Jordan with the Baptism of Christ by John the Baptist and are still here today.

What Martin Luther did was to cause an Exodus from Rome and changed the face of western history with his 95 thesis tacked to the door in Wittenburg, Germany. But there were people always around who did not adhere to Rome. They are still here today.

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September 28, 2010
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Just as an aside, I used to be an agnostic Christian: I didn't believe God was provable yet I still had faith. So how I'd label myself on that survey would have been interesting...Probably would have had to choose between Christian and agnostic as though they were mutually exclusive.

"greeney2" wrote:

If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist.

Our atheists here were asked to read and proove their points directly from reading the Bible, they would not do it.

Forty-five percent of American Catholics are unaware Catholicism teaches that bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ during communion, the survey showed.

What percent of Atheists knew why since they are so knowlegable?

Indeed, that contradictions post seemed quite a drive-by post to me.

I wouldn't call atheists here a really good representative sample of atheists. But your point is well taken that they neglected to attempt to see the contradictions in their proper context.

"orangetom1999" wrote: at1with0,

you posted.

If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist.

followed by ...

The survey found that most American Protestants don't know Martin Luther inspired the Protestant Reformation.

Forty-five percent of American Catholics are unaware Catholicism teaches that bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ during communion, the survey showed.

Athiests, Gnostics, Wise men, and other assorted intellectuals like to quote numbers...volume to represent Christianity.

Christianity was and still is ..never dependent on numbers or volume. It is dependent on the Lord doing his work and for His Purposes.

Nobody is claiming that Christianity is dependent on numbers.

As to the bread and wine literally becoming the body and blood of Christ..not possible since the sacrafice was made "once" ...not over and over and over by a priest. THis knowlege demonstrates to those who know and Believe...that Roman Catholicism is not Christian but disguised paganism. A counterfeit attempting to pass as Christian. This is one reason so many of intellect must push Roman Catholocism as if it represents all of Christianity by default.
What Roman Catholocism is ...is of Ishmael and not Issac.

Yes, false self-labeling (e.g., a self-proclaimed Christian due to the fact that they are Catholic) skews the result. I have a broader definition of "christian" which is someone who believes the Apostle's Creed and by that definition, Catholics can be Christians.

What specific denomination of Christianity do you classify yourself as being a part of, if any? And btw, claiming Catholicism is paganism is sure to stir up at least one member here. I myself don't have much need for labels except to occasionally facilitate communications.

And in case you dont know...there were people around long before Martin Luther who did not adhere to Roman Catholocism and practiced their Beliefs independently in Europe. These people began in the River Jordan with the Baptism of Christ by John the Baptist and are still here today.

What Martin Luther did was to cause an Exodus from Rome and changed the face of western history with his 95 thesis tacked to the door in Wittenburg, Germany. But there were people always around who did not adhere to Rome. They are still here today.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Yep, I'm familiar with that information though I haven't read Luther's actual 95 theses. When I was growing up, I was a protestant and I went to a Lutheran school as well as Catholic. I became an atheist about 20 years ago, and finally today I am a pantheist with many adopted paradigms along the way.

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September 29, 2010
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"greeney2" wrote:

If you have a factual question about religion, you might want to ask an atheist.

Our atheists here were asked to read and proove their points directly from reading the Bible, they would not do it.

The only atheist to post in that thread was EH, and his proof was sufficient, no need to read the bible to see the contradictions.

September 29, 2010
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"Ninor" wrote: no need to read the bible to see the contradictions.

That's just about the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time, no offense.

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September 29, 2010
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"at1with0" wrote: [quote="Ninor"]no need to read the bible to see the contradictions.

That's just about the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time, no offense.

No offense taken, as a matter of fact, that's the nicest thing somebody has said to me on this site in a long time.

Let me present it in a different manner ....

Do you agree that the contradictions that EH posted (the actual words as he posted them) exist in the the bible ... Yes, or No?

I'll assume you'll say yes, because they are written in the bible and occur in different verses/scriptures from each other (as pointed out by the christians).

How can anybody put any faith in a god that sets different rules for different situations at different times? How can anybody trust that the rules won't be changed again? How can anybody know that at any given time that the rules they're following are the correct ones?

September 29, 2010
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"at1with0" wrote: Yes, false self-labeling (e.g., a self-proclaimed Christian due to the fact that they are Catholic) skews the result. I have a broader definition of "christian" which is someone who believes the Apostle's Creed and by that definition, Catholics can be Christians.

What specific denomination of Christianity do you classify yourself as being a part of, if any? And btw, claiming Catholicism is paganism is sure to stir up at least one member here. I myself don't have much need for labels except to occasionally facilitate communications.

Orangetom also believes all Muslims are of Ishmael.
This type of discernment I don't suggest for people to follow in.
Same as Christians can be Catholic.
We lump everything together and if it was up to us we
would burn the wheat with the weeds. Not good.
All Catholics are pagans? Well alot of thought was put into that
assertion. Laugh

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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