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A sign of Peace? Popes arrival in UK
September 23, 2010
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rival.html
Thought it was interesting.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 26, 2010
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This is a joke right?? This article??

Anyone versed in the Word..both Olde and New Testaments, knows that Peace is one of the name for the Lord Jesus the Christ...the annointed..for Remission of Sins.

Peace in the man made Pagan sense...means an abscence of strife.

Peace in the Biblical Sense is the name of our Redeemer. Peace..shalom..
Salem.

Peace be with you ..means Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins be with you.

Somehow men tend to get all worked up over doves...fishes ...and other animals. Not me

World Peace..what a joke..a huge man made joke. THe UN...the same thing ..a huge man made joke....working for world peace...what a counterfeit..what a joke.

So little thinking going on.

Look back at the history and blood on the hands of the Roman Church in total opposite of the instructions for a New Testament Church Operation. This is Christian?? No way.

All I have to do is see the line of columns on both sides leading up to St Peters Square and the Obelisk in the middle of the circle at the end...to know with what I am dealing. You can see this clearly from google earth.

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September 26, 2010
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I disagree with you on this one.
As far as I believe this was seen for a reason, and the timing
of it, for a reason. I've not been one For the Church Instituitions, trust me on
that one, I see things very similar in that regard- but I also realise
that near everyone has already given up on the Church Organizations,
but I don't believe we are all always up to speed. People in these
organizations, some of them will have a turn around that will be
close to impossible to believe or even trust. People may disagree with me on this
and I understand, but its something that was shared with me a
while back.

You don't get worked up over Doves huh?
I guess it should have been a lightening bolt.
Would that have excited you? :mrgreen:

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 26, 2010
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Yeah I've always wanted to check out google earth, people mention it quite a bit, but is it just
a regular site? Do you have to have a certain program for it? hmmm I guess I'll look and see.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 26, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: Yeah I've always wanted to check out google earth, people mention it quite a bit, but is it just
a regular site? Do you have to have a certain program for it? hmmm I guess I'll look and see.

Sandra,

I am not one for big church institutions and dont blame people for getting this way.
A pastor is a member of the church ..not an organiztion separate from the Church. The Church meets and the Church goes home. It is not the building...nor is it the pastor. It is the Assembly and the head of the Church is Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins.

Nicolaitians..a clergy separate from the laity. Which the Lord says He hates.

No beasts of the field or fowls of the air for me...thanks...nor images of the same. I wont even wear a cross. But that is me Sandra.

As to Google earth...it is very interesting to see places you have been/traveled from outer space. I have been to Paris, Tokyo...et al.
Google Earth is a program you download off the web to your computer..it is free. You can see your own driveway and your cars etc in them if the clouds are not to thick on the day it was taken. I can switch from google earth ...quickly to google maps and see a map version or switch to the satellite version and back and forth for trip planning.

Hope this helps.

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September 26, 2010
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"orangetom1999" wrote: [quote="sandra"]Yeah I've always wanted to check out google earth, people mention it quite a bit, but is it just
a regular site? Do you have to have a certain program for it? hmmm I guess I'll look and see.

Sandra,

I am not one for big church institutions and dont blame people for getting this way.
A pastor is a member of the church ..not an organiztion separate from the Church. The Church meets and the Church goes home. It is not the building...nor is it the pastor. It is the Assembly and the head of the Church is Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins.

That was a clear and good way to explain that, in which yes I do understand.
The body of Christ is what it comes to. And from the Top Down it is alot of times in this world.
The true Church is not the organization alone.

Nicolaitians..a clergy separate from the laity. Which the Lord says He hates.

No beasts of the field or fowls of the air for me...thanks...nor images of the same. I wont even wear a cross. But that is me Sandra.

Well that is impressive, no I would not wear a cross.
I've said this before about the symbolism. Why do we wear cross?
Thats a hard one for alot of people to think about.

As to Google earth...it is very interesting to see places you have been/traveled from outer space. I have been to Paris, Tokyo...et al.
Google Earth is a program you download off the web to your computer..it is free. You can see your own driveway and your cars etc in them if the clouds are not to thick on the day it was taken. I can switch from google earth ...quickly to google maps and see a map version or switch to the satellite version and back and forth for trip planning.

Hope this helps.

Orangetom

😯 Sounds like a real advanced program, I'll have to check it out more.
Although thats kind of frightening at the same time the technology of it.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 26, 2010
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Sandra,

The true Church is not the organization alone.

Exactly correct Sandra. The Lord's church is an organism..a Living Organism..not an organization per se..but an organism

When we meet , even on boards like this one, we declare Him and His Glory. We are having Church...whenever two or more are gathered in His Name...there is He in the midst of us...the Church.

Well that is impressive, no I would not wear a cross.
I've said this before about the symbolism. Why do we wear cross?
Thats a hard one for alot of people to think about.

Well that is interesting ..Sandra. YOu caught me a bit short here. I did not expect such an reply from you. Great that you know about the symbolism. You are correct in that it is a hard one for alot of peoples to understand. Quite correct Sandra.

To me the Cross is a variation of the olde fertility symbolism..the intersection of the male and female. The Cross was also something used by Pagans to crucify...not by Believers. Believers are to put out or separate from that which is objectionable or against the Testament.

The symbolism of the obelisk in St Peters Square in Rome is that the Obelisk is the Lisk of the occult god Baal. The membrum virle. Olde Baal's Lisk...Obelisk. Yes..it is the same thing with the Washington Monument.
Often in occult practice such a obelisk is a pointer and the obelisk tracks the sun with a shadow to tell a story or tale going back into history past. Often a tale known only to initiates.
There is no such tradition among Believers. They will tell you anything and anything you can handle about the Word. As a matter of fact..sometimes it is difficult to get them to shut up....to desist.

This is done in two manners in Occult archiceture. By shadow in this case described and the other way is by light ...like Karnak Temple in Egypt. Where there are numerous columns designed to block the light except on certain holidays or festivals and when the light shines on the altar the sacrafice is offered up. Just variations on a theme.

I also do not put marks or cuttings in my flesh or marks for the dead. I have sufficient scar material on my body from ordinary labors. That too is me.

Thanks for your post,
Are you still up standing the night watch??

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September 26, 2010
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"orangetom1999" wrote: Sandra,

The true Church is not the organization alone.

Exactly correct Sandra. The Lord's church is an organism..a Living Organism..not an organization per se..but an organism

When we meet , even on boards like this one, we declare Him and His Glory. We are having Church...whenever two or more are gathered in His Name...there is He in the midst of us...the Church.

Well that is impressive, no I would not wear a cross.
I've said this before about the symbolism. Why do we wear cross?
Thats a hard one for alot of people to think about.

Well that is interesting ..Sandra. YOu caught me a bit short here. I did not expect such an reply from you. Great that you know about the symbolism. You are correct in that it is a hard one for alot of peoples to understand. Quite correct Sandra.

To me the Cross is a variation of the olde fertility symbolism..the intersection of the male and female. The Cross was also something used by Pagans to crucify...not by Believers. Believers are to put out or separate from that which is objectionable or against the Testament.

The symbolism of the obelisk in St Peters Square in Rome is that the Obelisk is the Lisk of the occult god Baal. The membrum virle. Olde Baal's Lisk...Obelisk. Yes..it is the same thing with the Washington Monument.
Often in occult practice such a obelisk is a pointer and the obelisk tracks the sun with a shadow to tell a story or tale going back into history past. Often a tale known only to initiates.
There is no such tradition among Believers. They will tell you anything and anything you can handle about the Word. As a matter of fact..sometimes it is difficult to get them to shut up....to desist.

This is done in two manners in Occult archiceture. By shadow in this case described and the other way is by light ...like Karnak Temple in Egypt. Where there are numerous columns designed to block the light except on certain holidays or festivals and when the light shines on the altar the sacrafice is offered up. Just variations on a theme.

I also do not put marks or cuttings in my flesh or marks for the dead. I have sufficient scar material on my body from ordinary labors. That too is me.

Thanks for your post,
Are you still up standing the night watch??

Orangetom

Good stuff you had to say about the Church, Absolutely.
And the other information is interesting, some of the history etc.
Bits of it have been told to me before, about this sacrafice you are referencing, yep.

People use the sign of the cross many times for protection, protection from what
I always ask, are they protecting themselves from Christ? So yes you had some good
notes there, lot of times we don't look into our reasons for things. Many times
in my own life I look back and think, what in the hell was I doing. Luckily
I don't say that much now. :mrgreen:

As far as cuts in the body, well i don't plan on giving up my earrings anytime
soon, but thats about that.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

September 27, 2010
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"sandra" wrote: Well that is impressive, no I would not wear a cross.
I've said this before about the symbolism. Why do we wear cross?
Thats a hard one for alot of people to think about.

I agree that a lot of people don't like the symbol of the cross because of the horrible suffering it represents. Although it is a perfect symbol of our salvation because of what Christ did on the cross. I found another symbol that is a little unusual. I found a rock by one of the lakes where I live that had a hole worn half way through it from water erosion. I made it into a necklace and the first time I wore it around Christians, they accused me of wearing a pagan image. That is until I explained what it meant to me.

The rock itself is about one inch by one and a half inches, and a little over a half inch thick. The hole is dead center and maybe a little over half way through the rock. And I admit it does resemble some pagan earth worshiping symbolism. But, when I explained that this rock reminded me of the empty tomb of Jesus, they thought it was one of the coolest things they had ever seen.

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Strangely enough Halfabo, I have a necklace very similar to that, around the same size and everything, its strung on sinew with some of the sinew braided. Its a redish color and it was given to me by an Elder from the Bad River Reservation.

Of course there are discernment in these things- One of the reasons people altogether do not like symbolisms/trinkets/stones/ whatever that could be seen as a sort of worship to these,
is because even if one does not place the wrong ideas or importance of these items but just maybe likes them and thinks they are helpful to our minds etc etc etc.....Not everyone sees it that way, some are into the black arts, using these things as like little weapons, and so many would just rather seperate themselves from these things entirely. There is always discernment, and we are all different, most of all its good that we look to God and ourselves. Which I know you understand these things, but I'm just adding a bit to explain that I understand there are many variables to physical objects and our personal relationships with the physical world.
Whats in our hearts always counts for something, yes. Although the majority of peoples place
these things, objects, posessions, before what they are meant to. They can become a hindrance to the work needed to be tended to on the inside.

The cross is one of these greater symbols, that at times keeps people from where they are meant to be, and alot of times people look at it and think about Christs death, as if a mourning, not a celebration that he is alive in us. Some just use it to look kool as a fashion statement etc.
You see that in Indian Country with people and eagle feathers, they like to hang them from their vehicles, its wrong. The eagle feather was meant to assist in healing, not decoration on walls, this is insulting type of behavior to life that we are suppose to be honoring. But over-all these things do not make people bad people it always depends on why we are doing what we are doing, and everything else....our reasoning and meaning infiltrates into all things in our life, appearnaces of objects can be a distraction to people using them and to observers. The mass amounts of symbolisms and the meanings we give them, has created alot of confusion among people. A great message of seperation in belief as well. as other things. But what is in our hearts is what is in what we do. I'm more than aware that one person that hangs a feather or wears a cross are most likely doing these things for two seperate reasons, those things I don't miss looking into. Some I think would just rather keep it simple for themselves and others.

And again, just because someone seperates themselves from things does not mean they seperate themselves from the reasons of the things they are physically seperating themselves from. Many times people that are clearing their own conscience clear themselves first physically from these things and then enters into a time of internal reflection. I just made that all much more complex than it needed to be. But in these areas I could go on and on. Now am I going to get slammed for a long winded post?

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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