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Do we need to be controlled?
March 14, 2018
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What's more disturbing to think, that as a species,we can't survive without government or religion, or that we can, but put up with them anyway? 

We put our faith in these institutions, believing they have our best interests in mind. Yet, everyday, we are reminded by the media of the atrocities they commit. 

As a person myself, I can tell you, I don't need to be told to be a good person to be one. I know right from wrong, as do most of us.  Now, I'm not saying I have a system in mind to replace these ones, nor am I bashing any religious beliefs. I see people accepting the rule of another and I just can't grasp the concept.  Any thoughts?

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

March 14, 2018
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Jamie,

 

I agree!

 

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March 15, 2018
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Jamie,

 

Maslow's Hierarchy of needs probably explains the reason that many feel the need to be controlled in exchange for meeting their basic requirements:

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This five-stage model can be divided into deficiency needs and growth needs. The first four levels are often referred to as deficiency needs (D-needs), and the top level is known as growth or being needs (B-needs).

Deficiency needs arise due to deprivation and are said to motivate people when they are unmet. Also, the motivation to fulfill such needs will become stronger the longer the duration they are denied. For example, the longer a person goes without food, the more hungry they will become.

Maslow (1943) initially stated that individuals must satisfy lower level deficit needs before progressing on to meet higher level growth needs. However, he later clarified that satisfaction of a needs is not an “all-or-none” phenomenon, admitting that his earlier statements may have given “the false impression that a need must be satisfied 100 percent before the next need emerges” (1987, p. 69).

When a deficit need has been 'more or less' satisfied it will go away, and our activities become habitually directed towards meeting the next set of needs that we have yet to satisfy. These then become our salient needs. However, growth needs continue to be felt and may even become stronger once they have been engaged.

Growth needs do not stem from a lack of something, but rather from a desire to grow as a person. Once these growth needs have been reasonably satisfied, one may be able to reach the highest level called self-actualization.

Every person is capable and has the desire to move up the hierarchy toward a level of self-actualization. Unfortunately, progress is often disrupted by a failure to meet lower level needs. Life experiences, including divorce and loss of a job, may cause an individual to fluctuate between levels of the hierarchy. Therefore, not everyone will move through the hierarchy in a uni-directional manner but may move back and forth between the different types of needs.

November 13, 2018
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Seems to me that we have been systematically conditioned,to be submissive to the will of others.

From birth we are taught to listen and do as we're told.The very definition of a "good child" is also the definition of a good slave. We are told ,that simply because we're born on some part of the world separated by imaginary lines on a map,that gives someone we have never met, and their representatives, control over us. We are told that without them, we would destroy ourselves. It's a mass protection racket, and we fell for it.

 

They keep that control at the end of a gun,and in the end, the only control they have is violence.

If you need proof, just resist arrest some time.

To me, it's the fact that we have been conditioned to believe, or accept, that others know better than we do, what's good for us.

And what is our recourse in this? None, if you buck the system,you're a radical. The nail that sticks out gets hammered.

There's even now a disorder, to explain my beliefs, o.d.d. .Add that to a.d.h.d,  and you have my authority complex. Lol

I have never voted, I will not participate in a system that assumes authority,based on nonexistent geographic lines.

The belief that we have no choice,is an illusion, authority itself is an illusion.

Now, saying this, if you wish to be involved in a society where rules and guns keep things in order, that's a choice as well.That choice is taken from us at birth however,and we're ruled over straight out of the womb.

My problem comes when I think about not being a part of it. There is no way without being considered another Waco. We know what happens when people today do what our forefathers did, and just leave to start over somewhere, without persecution of another.

I guess in my opinion, as long as what I do,doesn't impact another being,in any negative way,I should be left alone. Live and let live.

Authority taken must be maintained by violence. Authority given will be maintained as long as the status quo remains equal between the two parties. The only authority I see is taken, and we've been conditioned to believe it's been given.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

November 17, 2018
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A world with no control, no laws and no rules is called anarchy, and you do not get to vote. You do get to vote, if you choose not to, do not complain about the laws and rules. No rules and no control leds to totalitarian societies, dictatorships, and oppression. You just watched the biggest mid term voting turn out in the USA, so you voice does count. 

We live in a free society, but that does not mean there is no order or law and no control, or no police because not everyone in a free society are good people, we do have those who lie cheat and steal, Or worse. Yes we have rules, we have parents who guide us from birth, schools that teach us and they have rules, and when we are grown up, rules for jobs, rules for driving a car, and rules for standards of how we treat others. I would hate to think we had no rules. If that is some kind of cynical conspiracy, I hate to think what real oppression is like. 

If you want to put some kind of oppressive label on that, remember you were free to just express your thoughts, and nobody kicked in the door to stop you. This is not so true in other societies, under dictators, oppressive religions, or brutal governments. I do not think you are controlled to any point of oppression, just because you have laws and rules. 

There is a lot more to this subject, but this is enough said.

November 17, 2018
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I was right lol you are a contrarian. I wonder if you hear yourself. We have it pretty good so we should accept it as long as it's not as bad as other places. That's the conditioning I was talking about.

I already said,if you wish to be part of that kind of society,that's a choice to. However, until you are of voting age, you are ruled over nonetheless.

They say that refusing authority is a disorder. I believe giving up authority to another is an inferiority complex.

Maybe you can accept that others know better than you do,  but I don't.There are those that are more intelligent, but only in subject matter invented by us. We are all guessing our way through life. (On our way to nowhere. )

Where is it exactly that someone who disagrees with society, can go to escape total authority of another? Nowhere that's where.

So no, I am not free to leave if i like.

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

November 18, 2018
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First, I'd like to say, I absolutely loathe this next text, and all it stands for. That being said, if you read this trash, and replace the African American,with the entire human race,you'll see that a system of control has been in place by the powers that be, for a long while now. After reading this and looking around at the world today, I can't help but see it in action everywhere.

Full Text of the alleged Willie Lynch Speech, 1712:

 

"Gentlemen, I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First, I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the Colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me on my modest plantation in the West Indies where I have experimented with some of the newest and still the oldest methods of control of slaves.

Ancient Rome would envy us if my program were implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish. I saw enough to know that your problem is not unique. While Rome used cords of woods as crosses for standing human bodies along its highways in great numbers you are here using the tree and the rope on occasion.

I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree a couple of miles back. You are not only losing a valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed.

Gentlemen, you know what your problems are: I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them. In my bag here, I have a fool proof method for controlling your Black slaves. I guarantee everyone of you that if installed correctly it will control the slaves for at least 300 hundred years [sic]. My method is simple. Any member of your family or your overseer can use it.

I have outlined a number of differences among the slaves: and I take these differences and make them bigger. I use fear, distrust, and envy for control purposes. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South. Take this simple little list of differences, and think about them.

On top of my list is ‘Age’, but it is there only because it starts with an ‘A’: the second is ‘Color’ or shade, there is intelligence, size, sex, size of plantations, status on plantation, attitude of owners, whether the slave live in the valley, on hill, East, West, North, South, have fine hair, coarse hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences. I shall give you an outline of action-but before that I shall assure you that distrust is stronger than trust and envy is stronger than adulation, respect, or admiration.

The Black slave after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self re-fueling and self generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands. Don't forget you must pitch the old Black male vs. the young Black male, and the young Black male against the old Black male. You must use the dark skin slaves vs. the light skin slaves and the light skin slaves vs. the dark skin slaves. You must use the female vs. the male, and the male vs. the female. You must also have your white servants and overseers distrust all Blacks, but it is necessary that your slaves trust and depend on us. They must love, respect and trust only us.

Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. If used intensely for one year, the slaves themselves will remain perpetually distrustful. Thank you, gentlemen."

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

November 18, 2018
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I'm  a little tired of your name calling and little digs, when I give my opinion on a subject. You need to get a little respect for other people. The forum is called "questions that make you think".  This is a debate, differences of perspective, sorry you do like my input, but I do not intend on being  chased off every forum because your name is on something. People have different views, I expect you get a lot of them different from yourself. 

I bowed out of all your other posts involving your "abduction", and you never heard me call you names whatsoever. You also heard some of the same things I said on that other post by the way from other people, so I was not so crazy after all. 

There are many theories about mind control and for lack of better terms brainwashing, and a monumental difference between simple rules, laws, and conditioning our mothers did to us,and imagine it the same thing. Yes, we are all controlled by simple rules of behavior thru life, why is that so bad?  Real control of the mind in the most diabolical societies, like radical fundamentalist Islamic religions, do  not allow communication with outside worlds, or education, and teach that your own life has no value. They steal your life from you in those societies and you do not know what you are taught is even wrong, we are not in oppressive societies, simply because we have laws and rules. 

November 18, 2018
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Lol when you just regurgitate what I said like you're making a point,I can't help but call it as I see it. You say you want to debate, but all you really want to do is preach. Not once have you approached this as a conversation. It's funny, I have had many interactions on this forum, and with the exception of one racist, I have been able to have a completely friendly conversation with everyone but you.

That says more about you than me I think. 🙂

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

November 18, 2018
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We can go back and forth all day, but just be clear who are you calling a racist?

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